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Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:02 pm
by Dave R32
Rich-Ti wrote:After all, companies only stopped working in alu because carbon processes became so straightforward - as a material there's no reason not to use alu, and anyone riding a top end alu bike will realise the belief that they're a harsh ride is totally unfounded. My CAAD9 was a better bike than my Cervélo R3!


Finally someone who understands...I went from a Avanti Alu bike (dead frame to ride) to a Trek Madone and now a CAAD10 which is the most comfortable of the lot in-spite of being the most aggressive geometry of the three. I had one guy who has never ridden a CAAD10 tell me that the "road buzz" would kill me, another tell me that I would get a bad back because of the harshness of the ride, both were talking BS. Having said this my next frame will be Steel or Ti as I want to experience them.

Cheers
Dave.

PS: Comedian....great choice of frame. I am sure the wait will be worth it.

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:11 pm
by jacks1071
Dave R32 wrote:Finally someone who understands...I went from a Avanti Alu bike (dead frame to ride) to a Trek Madone and now a CAAD10 which is the most comfortable of the lot in-spite of being the most aggressive geometry of the three. I had one guy who has never ridden a CAAD10 tell me that the "road buzz" would kill me, another tell me that I would get a bad back because of the harshness of the ride, both were talking BS. Having said this my next frame will be Steel or Ti as I want to experience them.

When you're into a high-end frame regardless of the material there isn't much difference in the performance.

I own high end alloy, ti, carbon & bamboo bikes - when you're at the pointy end the biggest difference between them all is the price.

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:14 pm
by jimh
jacks1071 wrote:
Dave R32 wrote:Finally someone who understands...I went from a Avanti Alu bike (dead frame to ride) to a Trek Madone and now a CAAD10 which is the most comfortable of the lot in-spite of being the most aggressive geometry of the three. I had one guy who has never ridden a CAAD10 tell me that the "road buzz" would kill me, another tell me that I would get a bad back because of the harshness of the ride, both were talking BS. Having said this my next frame will be Steel or Ti as I want to experience them.

When you're into a high-end frame regardless of the material there isn't much difference in the performance.

I own high end alloy, ti, carbon & bamboo bikes - when you're at the pointy end the biggest difference between them all is the price.


It still needs to fit properly !!!

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:20 pm
by Rich-Ti
^^ Priority #1 on *any* bike.

I'd rather ride a sh*t bike that fits properly than a good one that doesn't.

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:50 pm
by alan_k
Rich-Ti wrote:After all, companies only stopped working in alu because carbon processes became so straightforward - as a material there's no reason not to use alu, and anyone riding a top end alu bike will realise the belief that they're a harsh ride is totally unfounded. My CAAD9 was a better bike than my Cervélo R3!


I'm also riding CAAD9 and find it a better all rounder bike as compared to my previous Specialized SL3 s-works.

SL3 is light, fast, stiff, harsh - i reckon it's good for criterium/hills but not for long rides.
CAAD9 is responsive enough for race and yet comfortable enough (not as harsh as SL3) for long rides.

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:24 pm
by jaseyjase
Stumbled across a used NEVI ti frame in my size, from a quick google they seem to be a small italian mob who do ti bikes.

The model im looking at looks to be a slightly older one comparing to their current fleet, and i do like it aesthetically.

My concern is the welds look a tad messy, or maybe just not as neat as ive seen. Mind you im comparing to the super top end guys who do ti.

Should i be concerned?

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Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:47 pm
by gabrielle260
It's your money....
But if it was mine, I wouldn't!
You are right - the weld finish quality is the worst I have seen in Ti.
Andrew

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:17 pm
by wurtulla wabbit
Love the titanium but looks like chewing gum welding in parts.

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:24 pm
by Le Velo
Not sure if it is your size but there is a TI for sale that might be worth looking at

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=62094

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:54 am
by Puffy
Don't be so harsh. These are hand welded... not robot nor have they been ground flush which is also common but unfair to compare ground welds to raw welds. I personally wouldn't be concerned with the welds. Trouble is, it's an unknown quantity for you. You have no idea what that frame designers spec was, ie how the frame with handle. That is what would stop me buying it. If I couldn't find a bunch of owners of the same frame who are saying good things I would stay away.

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:44 pm
by jaseyjase
^ thanks fellas, i was mostly concerned with weld quality, aesthetically, i wasnt over fussed if they look messy. From the details id say its an older frame design of theres, ie internal brake routing, seat stay clamp bolt etc. Their current fleet has more modern details, ie external brake routing on the DS, seat clamp etc

The welds funnily look similar, ie messy, and no small and neat like you see on the top end frames, ie moots, baum, seven, etc.

Unfortunately hes asking price was too high, so i dont think ill pursue this

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:56 pm
by BrisVegas
Anyone out there ridden or own a Litespeed Tuscany from mid-2000's ?

Friend of a friend has one for sale and I'm interested in checking it out. The geo looks pretty "aggressive", but presumably I can tweak that with stem and spacers if needed. It would be for group rides, river loops and so on.

I've only briefly sampled a friend's Lynskey and it was great, but is a lot newer. Have Ti frames changed much in 10 years?

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:23 pm
by Comedian
I've no experience with older ti frames.

One thing I found interesting about Baum frames is their lightweight. I believe large frames weight between 1100 and 1300 (depending on model) which is reasonably competitive with carbon.

So I guess what I'm saying is check the weight out.

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:57 pm
by BrisVegas
Comedian wrote:I've no experience with older ti frames.

One thing I found interesting about Baum frames is their lightweight. I believe large frames weight between 1100 and 1300 (depending on model) which is reasonably competitive with carbon.

So I guess what I'm saying is check the weight out.


As far as I can tell the frame is around 2.8lbs at 57cm. That converts to 1.27kg. Seems reasonable. If you wanted to throw light wheels and accessories on it, I'm sure 8kgs would be fairly achievable.

How's your Baum going?

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:23 pm
by barefoot
BrisVegas wrote:As far as I can tell the frame is around 2.8lbs at 57cm. That converts to 1.27kg. Seems reasonable. If you wanted to throw light wheels and accessories on it, I'm sure 8kgs would be fairly achievable.


Easily, I would think.

My 1600g XACD Ti frame built up with very middle-of-the-road parts... including disc brakes and 28mm tyres... to about 8.5kg (plus pedals). That's just basic 9-speed Ultegra bits and 1750g wheels (incl rotors).

Nearly half a kilo off the frame, a couple of hundred less brakes, and probably a couple of hundred off the wheels, and you'd be nudging UCI limits.

tim

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:13 am
by jacks1071
Comedian wrote:I've no experience with older ti frames.

One thing I found interesting about Baum frames is their lightweight. I believe large frames weight between 1100 and 1300 (depending on model) which is reasonably competitive with carbon.

So I guess what I'm saying is check the weight out.


Pretty sure Baum use butted tubes (ie. thicker at the ends were they weld, thinner in the middle).

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:50 pm
by Rich-Ti
They do - spec'd according to the rider on the Cornetto.

Mine (Cornetto) with ISP is still only 7.5kg with Ambrosio Nemesis wheels and Dura-Ace pedals on it - the wheels are nearly 1800g (before tubs & glue)!

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:43 am
by jacks1071
Rich-Ti wrote:They do - spec'd according to the rider on the Cornetto.

Mine (Cornetto) with ISP is still only 7.5kg with Ambrosio Nemesis wheels and Dura-Ace pedals on it - the wheels are nearly 1800g (before tubs & glue)!


They make beautiful frames, dare I say the nicest Ti frames money can buy?

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:49 am
by Rich-Ti
You can say that if you like...

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:41 am
by Comedian
Rich-Ti wrote:You can say that if you like...

It's always difficult arguing absolutes. ;)

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:48 pm
by cyclotaur
Rich-Ti wrote:They do - spec'd according to the rider on the Cornetto.

Mine (Cornetto) with ISP is still only 7.5kg with Ambrosio Nemesis wheels and Dura-Ace pedals on it - the wheels are nearly 1800g (before tubs & glue)!

Rich-Ti wrote:You can say that if you like...

You say Cornetto, I say Corretto ... Cornetto, Corretto...let's call the whole thing off ! :D

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:00 pm
by JonoMarshall
So is it possible to still find a cheaper custom ti-frame manufacturer anywhere? The waiting lists for Triton, etc, have gone waaay up.

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:30 pm
by barefoot
JonoMarshall wrote:So is it possible to still find a cheaper custom ti-frame manufacturer anywhere? The waiting lists for Triton, etc, have gone waaay up.


XACD delivered mine in 4 weeks from order last November.
titan-product are comparable, AFAIK.

But they just build what you tell them to build... no design advice, other than copying what they've built before.

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:38 pm
by JonoMarshall
Perfect, thanks.

Re: Titanium Road Bikes

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:38 pm
by BrisVegas
barefoot wrote:
BrisVegas wrote:As far as I can tell the frame is around 2.8lbs at 57cm. That converts to 1.27kg. Seems reasonable. If you wanted to throw light wheels and accessories on it, I'm sure 8kgs would be fairly achievable.


Easily, I would think.

My 1600g XACD Ti frame built up with very middle-of-the-road parts... including disc brakes and 28mm tyres... to about 8.5kg (plus pedals). That's just basic 9-speed Ultegra bits and 1750g wheels (incl rotors).

Nearly half a kilo off the frame, a couple of hundred less brakes, and probably a couple of hundred off the wheels, and you'd be nudging UCI limits.

tim


I rode the Litespeed Tuscany briefly on the weekend. Very cool bike. Light and fast, but perhaps a little smoother than my alloy bike. It was surprisingly light actually, built with SRAM Force and Mavic Open Pros. I wasn't expecting it to feel so "delicate". And this is a 59cm frame!

I'm buying it, but have to pay it in instalments. I'll pop back with pics when I finally own it. 8)