How much would you pay to save weight?

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Re: How much would you pay to save weight?

Postby munga » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:29 pm

It depends on the demographic.
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Re: How much would you pay to save weight?

Postby g-boaf » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:27 pm

A few hundred here or there. I'd be happy to get my Giant down to 7.0kg from its current 7.6kg.

I could probably shave weight with carbon bars and a new saddle, but those are going to be exxy. It does have carbon Ultegra pedals though. I won't give up Di2 however. Like that too much. :) already have fairly light wheels so I don't need to do anything there.

I'm already light myself at ~60kg so I can often beat quite a few people up hills. I can get quicker still if I really focus on trying to get my heart rate lower.

It's still fun to do bike upgrades - it makes the bike very personal.

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Re: How much would you pay to save weight?

Postby Nobody » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:21 pm

g-boaf wrote:It's still fun to do bike upgrades - it makes the bike very personal.
Agree, but upgrades don't have to be WW.

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Re: How much would you pay to save weight?

Postby trailgumby » Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:38 am

What is often forgotten in the pursuit to save weight is the impact on handling. What good is a super light bike if it flexes (and handles) like a wet noodle?
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Re: How much would you pay to save weight?

Postby autumn acid » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:57 am

I keep on thinking about the weight I could shed off my bike, but then I remember the 10 kilo goal I've set myself. Losing body weight is free and has other benefits.

Otherwise, if I had the money I would burn quite a bit on having a lightweight ride for bragging rights.

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Re: How much would you pay to save weight?

Postby Dimis » Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:12 pm

trailgumby wrote:What is often forgotten in the pursuit to save weight is the impact on handling. What good is a super light bike if it flexes (and handles) like a wet noodle?


This is very true... But at the same time no one talks about how much better a lighter bike can handle (provided you haven't entered wet noodle territory).

Light bikes are a heap of fun to throw around. Particularly in the short and sharp twisters on a descent.

So the trick is light but stiff.

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Re: How much would you pay to save weight?

Postby flex5150 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:55 pm

Start with a light but stiff frame..... mmm.. like a madone or a tarmac then select light parts that dont affect noodleisms..
saddle
speedplay pedals
light alloy stem or stiff carbon ( note there is about 5g between the Zipp scsl al and bontrager xxx. carb 110mm stems)
sram red group
Booteek brakes that dont work with zipps D'oh!!
Zipps
dodgy ultra light chinese clinchers
latex tubes
tyres with no puncture protection
tubs
Pawni's chain

,....what have i missed

it seams to me if you get the right frame the only slop is in the bars and stem ..or am I missing something?
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Re: How much would you pay to save weight?

Postby toolonglegs » Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:17 pm

You can get a fair bit of "slop" in wheels.

Last night I found out my frame wasn't playing up... huge cracking noise everytime I hit a good sized bump. Thought it was slop in the bearing to frame interface like it was on an early frame. Turned out it is the Thomson stem and alloy bars slipping every so slightly causing a huge noise for the amount of movement. Going to go back to a heavier stem ... all my bikes get "down graded" weight wise ... carbon saddle rails, carbon stems, carbon bars, carbon seat posts ... Etc etc all get changed for alloy :P .

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Re: How much would you pay to save weight?

Postby andione1983 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:40 pm

Why not just loose a kilo or two weight... If you are like me I can afford to loose a few.. I started at 108 now down to 98...;-) thats the best way to drop grams... Lol

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Re: How much would you pay to save weight?

Postby flex5150 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:16 pm

TLL, carbon paste is your friend however I have experienced what you're saying now with alloy stem and carbon bars...now I avoid humps and holes.
Agree on the wheel comment but what works for one .......

Andi, you are right of course but a few of us like to play games with our toys
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Postby pawnii » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:18 pm

flex5150 wrote:Start with a light but stiff frame..... mmm.. like a madone or a tarmac then select light parts that dont affect noodleisms..
saddle
speedplay pedals
light alloy stem or stiff carbon ( note there is about 5g between the Zipp scsl al and bontrager xxx. carb 110mm stems)
sram red group
Booteek brakes that dont work with zipps D'oh!!
Zipps
dodgy ultra light chinese clinchers
latex tubes
tyres with no puncture protection
tubs
Pawni's chain

,....what have i missed

it seams to me if you get the right frame the only slop is in the bars and stem ..or am I missing something?


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Postby flex5150 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:27 pm

YES!! Pawnii's brakes and chain, guarantees you sub 20min 1/20 time!!
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Postby pawnii » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:38 pm

haha 21mins last week
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Re: How much would you pay to save weight?

Postby Dimis » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:54 pm

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Dimis wrote:FWIW - I was reading a cycling mag that said "market research suggest consumers will average a spend of about $10 per gram, in their quest to save weight."
$10 a gram! :shock: That's $10,000 to save 1Kg. They must have started with 6Kg bikes. My bike is 11.6Kg and therefore would cost me $48,000 to get it down to 6.8Kg. Somehow I think the bike mag might be a bit off on what the average consumer will spend.


Haha, I missed this...
It was a road cycling mag, they were talking about "real" bikes. :-p
You know, the ones that you buy that start off at around 8kgs Haha.
Sorry, just playing.

So I guess that might actually close to what rrp on some items suggest.

As for you two buggers (pawnii & flex) - I'm targeting sub 20mins up the 1/20 tomorrow. :-p
I haven't broken 20min since goodness it was that long ago, there was a "1" in front of the year on my calendar.
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Re: How much would you pay to save weight?

Postby flex5150 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:05 pm

I'll be up there about 8am. If you see the Madone say hi. I'll be the one getting dropped by the seniors.
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Re: How much would you pay to save weight?

Postby Dimis » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:53 am

flex5150 wrote:I'll be up there about 8am. If you see the Madone say hi. I'll be the one getting dropped by the seniors.


Oh the shame... big effort on my part, but only a fraction over 23 mins :(
I have no Idea what why either, I wasn't even feeling leg heavy.

Sub 20... who am I kidding...
Oh well Still a fun ride though and there's always next week :)

I might need pawnii's light weight brakes... haha

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Postby flex5150 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:35 am

After my flat tyre at Ringwood ....I was feeling great up the hill but was riding with a mate I havent seen in a year or so.... I ended up pacing him up = 28 min.
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Re: How much would you pay to save weight?

Postby singlespeedscott » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:29 pm

What I would like to see is a weight weenie build that is restricted to only aluminum and steel. I reckon 6.8 kg is possible. I wonder how expensive that would be though?

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Re: How much would you pay to save weight?

Postby toolonglegs » Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:27 pm

Plenty of CAAD 10's around at the weight... Pretty sure you can get them a fair bit lighter.

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Postby pawnii » Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:57 pm

singlespeedscott wrote:What I would like to see is a weight weenie build that is restricted to only aluminum and steel. I reckon 6.8 kg is possible. I wonder how expensive that would be though?


hmm that would be hard
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Postby toolonglegs » Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:10 pm

Oh you mean just alloy and steel parts... No carbon allowed. Meh... You would be building the ultimate noodle.

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Postby singlespeedscott » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:11 pm

toolonglegs wrote:Oh you mean just alloy and steel parts... No carbon allowed. Meh... You would be building the ultimate noodle.

Light weight oversized steel and aluminum would hardly be a noodle

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Re: How much would you pay to save weight?

Postby winstonw » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:45 pm

andione1983 wrote:Why not just loose a kilo or two weight... If you are like me I can afford to loose a few.. I started at 108 now down to 98...;-) thats the best way to drop grams... Lol

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that's the obvious and logical question to ask.....but people don't make gear choices based on logic.

fwiw, 2 consults with a dietitian would cost ~$160 net.....and the weight loss would be from above ride centre of gravity. so handling would improve better than with any other weight saving imho. plus, you'd clear fat from arteries and get more blood to muscles, thereby improving lactate threshold significantly. but, all this gets in the way of "the dream". most of my mates have bought new bikes in the last 2 years. mine is just over 3 years old now, and I am resisting new gear, and going to keep focusing on engine reconditioning!

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Re: How much would you pay to save weight?

Postby foo on patrol » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:57 pm

There comes a point where weight negative on a bike is useless, unless you put in the hard miles sorry Ks. No that's wrong, a light bike will do diddly squat for you, unless you have potential and ability. Much better to have smooth running gear. :wink: Now get out and ride more to improve your fitness. :idea:

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Re: How much would you pay to save weight?

Postby toolonglegs » Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:15 pm

singlespeedscott wrote:
toolonglegs wrote:Oh you mean just alloy and steel parts... No carbon allowed. Meh... You would be building the ultimate noodle.

Light weight oversized steel and aluminum would hardly be a noodle

If you are a wippet it might be fine... but it would have to be pretty light weight if your going to run alloy forks and standard wheels. Personally I wouldn't ride a super light weight alloy coke can :P ... maybe a CAAD10 though ... but I will keep the carbon fork.
On how much people spend ... I turned up to a stage race in June where everyone was running super lightweight clinchers etc ... I had a fat day :| .

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