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Which wheel material will be best

Postby DANger-is » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:09 pm

I'm an amateur rider doing about 150-200km per week of mixed hills and flats. The hills rides usually total about 1000 meters of climbing over the whole ride with not many tecnical descents which require braking.

I haven't really spent much money on my Fuji bike in the last two years and so I'm thinking of upgrading my wheels. Currently using Mavic Aksium which weight about 1800gm

I have had it locked in my head that the next step is to go carbon but now I have no idea which way to go. Carbon, aluminium or Carbon with Alu brake track

I can get a pair of 50mm clinchers, 23mm wide, 1600 grams for about $450
Or 50mm clinchers 1450 grams for $610 (including delivery etc)

OR

A pair of aluminium Zonda wheels, 1550 grams for $450

Like I said I ride a mixture of hills and flats and the more I read the more confused I'm getting! Advice please
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby reefer » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:14 pm

For the life of me, riding the small amount that you do, why bother?

I ride about 200-250km per week on my Shimano RS500 wheels. They run true and go around. Sure, they feel a bit heavier than when I took a Giant defy advanced for a test ride, but you know, I ride for exercise, and my 105 level bike does the job.

Really, from what others have already said in your other thread, there really is not any value at all in upgrading for the purposes you describe in my opinion.
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby DANger-is » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:20 pm

I started this thread cos I didn't want to go off Track on the china wheel thread.

I hear what you're saying but what else am I going to get for my birthday :-)
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby cyclotaur » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:38 pm

Ride what you have for another year (or two)... then buy a whole new bike during the TdF sales. :D
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby jacks1071 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:55 pm

cyclotaur wrote:Ride what you have for another year (or two)... then buy a whole new bike during the TdF sales. :D


Most bikes, even expensive ones often come with pretty average wheels straight out of the box.

If I'm buying a new bike I always get the shop to deduct the cost of the wheels from the price so I can use the ones I want.
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby nickobec » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:04 pm

jacks1071 wrote:
Most bikes, even expensive ones often come with pretty average wheels straight out of the box.

If I'm buying a new bike I always get the shop to deduct the cost of the wheels from the price so I can use the ones I want.


+1

2nd best upgrade you can do for your ride is a new set of wheels

1st is a new & good set of tyres

Surprised how many good bikes come with pretty average wheels & tyres out the box

I am happy flogging a 3 year Fuji SL pro (that is the base model) with a cheap light carbon wheels and good german rubber around a race track
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby Dimis » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:31 am

Personal question: how much do you weigh?

I say treat yourself and go for the lightest possible alloy/scandium wheelset your happy to part funds for (provided of course the bearings run smoothly).

Aero is over-rated at normal non-race speed. Most amertures don't travel fast enough for long enough to enjoy the full benefits.

The nay sayers will say don't bother with the spend. Those iornmen can keep riding their brick wheels as long as they like, but I've found a wheel upgrade is most enjoyable, to the point where I'm often riding tubulars just for fun :)
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby KL. » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:59 am

Hi DANger-is, with Reynolds soon to release there new super Blue pads, which supposedly provide CF rim braking (even in the wet) that is better than the current best alloy rim/pad combination :)
So perhaps CF but Zondas are nice wheels with good hubs, but then 50mm CF aero rims are a nice way to go (as long as the hubs/bearings are decent).
Although, for the price you have mentioned I guess you could replace them after a couple of years or once the sealed bearings are worn out :)

Better wheels are always nice to ride on :)
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby mikesbytes » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:51 am

The best wheels are the ones you enjoy riding the most.

Brand name alloy wheels are likely to be more reliable than no name carbon wheels.

I've raced on Reynolds carbon wheels, about 10mm deeper than my Eastern alloy wheels (1,550gms) and while I could feel the difference its not a lot, just a little more aero.
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby DANger-is » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:15 am

Dimis wrote:Personal question: how much do you weigh?

I say treat yourself and go for the lightest possible alloy/scandium wheelset your happy to part funds for (provided of course the bearings run smoothly).




I weigh 70kg (154lb)

Thanks for your thoughts guys. One day I lock in Carbon wheels then the next day I say Alu wheels!! I am starting to think that Carbon might just be to much long term effort for the amount of riding I do. If i can get a set of alu wheels which are the same weight as CF wheels then the only thing I'm loosing is a little bit of Aerodynamics. At what speed does Aerodynamics really start to make a difference?
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby wizzfizz » Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:58 pm

Get a set of Pro-Lite Braccianos from jacks1071, the black suits most bikes but I went silver just to be different :P

Lighter and better rolling than the Ultegra-spec wheels I upgraded from (RS-20s from memory)
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby DANger-is » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:48 pm

Yep, they're the wheels I'm looking at right now
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby biker jk » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:04 pm

wizzfizz wrote:Get a set of Pro-Lite Braccianos from jacks1071, the black suits most bikes but I went silver just to be different :P

Lighter and better rolling than the Ultegra-spec wheels I upgraded from (RS-20s from memory)


RS20s aren't Ultegra spec and they cost around $150 versus $450 for the Braccianos. A bit of an apples and oranges comparison. The RS80 C24s are a direct competitor. Ultegra spec hubs and light rims.
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby Derny Driver » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:28 pm

Consider the Flashpoints for sale on this site. They will jazz up the look of your bike no end. I had some and they are great. Carbon with aluminium braking surface.
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby Dimis » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:10 pm

You realise there is no 1 right answer to your question...

At 70kgs you can get away with a very light, and low spoke count set.
I'd probably recommend some 38mm carbon clinches for the riding you described.
Or as I suggested earlier the lightest alloy or scandium set you can find within your budget.

50mm may unnerve you in crosswinds with your light build..?
This may be something you can learn to live with.

Unless you are averaging around 30km/h then the aero advantage, while there, would probably be negligible.
...and it's plenty of fun spinning up light wheels, and even more fun dropping off those with oversized expensive wheels on the hills.

Either way enjoy.
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby g-boaf » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:21 pm

I don't see the need for those carbon wheels.

50mm are not too bad in cross winds - I'm only 60kg and don't have troubles with them. But for ordinary riding, they are not really any benefit. You could get a nice light set of alloy wheels and do better.
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby DANger-is » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:27 pm

I do group rides every weekend and we usually cover about 65km. The rest of the week is mostly hills. I think I would get benefit from the CF on the longer flat rides and benefit from the alu wheels in the hills. Does that sound about right?

One thing to consider is that when buying the alu wheels, such as the Pro lites, you have confidence in what you are getting but with the Chinese CF wheels you can't be sure
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby Dimis » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:12 am

g-boaf wrote:I don't see the need for those carbon wheels.

50mm are not too bad in cross winds - I'm only 60kg and don't have troubles with them. But for ordinary riding, they are not really any benefit. You could get a nice light set of alloy wheels and do better.


Agreed, no one "needs" carbon wheels.
But be honest, they look damn sexy and they are "usually" lighter in those sizes anyway which makes 'em quicker up a hill.

Just saying.
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby bollo » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:29 am

i am also looking for wheels & have the same dilemma as you but i am going towards the RS80 C23 carbon , they look trick are nice & light & much better then the Fulcrom Comps that came on my bike new
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby toppity » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:44 am

bollo wrote:i am also looking for wheels & have the same dilemma as you but i am going towards the RS80 C23 carbon , they look trick are nice & light & much better then the Fulcrom Comps that came on my bike new

I am yet, after trying many different wheel sets, yet to find better bang for your buck than these wheels. Done well over 10,000 km's on mine and they are still going strong. I'm 100kg plus as well.
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby DANger-is » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:20 am

If both Carbon wheels and Aluminium Wheels weigh and cost about the same (Chinese carbons are about $150 more over the Alu) then what is the deciding factors when picking one over the other?

Is it braking quality?
overall longevity of the wheels?
Aerodynamics?
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby Ross » Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:56 pm

A deeper wheel will generally be more aero than a shallower wheel but a brand name shallower alloy wheel will probably be more robust and have a longer life than a generic Chinese one. The hubs in the cheaper Chinese wheels may not roll as well as the brand name ones.
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby DANger-is » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:55 pm

Cheers for your thoughts guys, I've decided to go aluminium. I think for my style of riding they will fit the bill best, I will miss the bling look of the carbons though
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby winstonw » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:47 am

I'll report a story in a few weeks about popular carbon Chinese wheels having mass failures.
It has become apparent to me at least one popular Chinese manufacturer doesn't have the systems, expertise, or ethics, to take quality control seriously.
I'd be interested to hear from anyone who weighs >75kg and has put >3000km of training rides into Chinese deep section carbon wheels....and not had problems.

For my money, the best value for money wheels are those with generic components that can be easily replaced for a decade.
This won't include Shimano, Fulcrum, Mavic, none of which supply parts for that long.
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Re: Which wheel material will be best

Postby Nobody » Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:16 am

winstonw wrote:For my money, the best value for money wheels are those with generic components that can be easily replaced for a decade.
Generic by type, in other words parts to fit standard round spokes.
winstonw wrote:This won't include Shimano, Fulcrum, Mavic, none of which supply parts for that long.
For low spoke count propriety wheels, I agree. But higher spoke count Shimano hubs and Mavic rims are popular in real world cycling applications.

I believe I know what you are saying, I just added a bit for clarity. :)
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