Kew Boulie Time?

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Re: Kew Boulie Time?

Postby dalai47 » Wed Apr 02, 2014 5:06 pm

Easter Monday so is on in the morning. http://www.bbn.org.au/BookingRetrieve.aspx?ID=152882

Start Corner of Walmer Street and Yarra Boulevard, Kew
8:00am Registration opens
9.00am, riders off at 30 sec intervals,
Grades A, B, C, D - 2 laps (approx 20 km)
Grades E, F - 1 lap (approx 10 km) - novice and younger junior riders only

PRE ENTRY

All racers must pre enter via the form below
Entries close Friday April 18 midnight, race times will be published on the Blackburn web site on Sunday April 20

PARKING

Parking ONLY on the east side of Walmer Street and the North side of the Boulevard 200 meters downhill of the start/finish

COST

J17 & Below $10, J19 and above $15, Family $40 - if you don't have a licence, pretty certain you can buy a 3 race licence... Best to contact the club to confirm
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Re: Kew Boulie Time?

Postby 98octane » Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:05 pm

Thanks for that.
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Re: Kew Boulie Time?

Postby zill » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:08 pm

jules21 wrote:
zill wrote:I know Kew Boulie is a popular place to train and I have been training there for a few months. Last week on a cool (dry) Sunday afternoon, I posted a time of 23 min and 33 seconds from the Stop sign at the start of Walmer St to the Chandler HWY end and then back to the sign again (one lap). The average speed was 33.4 km/hr. I was riding a medium range road bike with full aluminium wheels.


my best is 22:54 or 34.2 km/h :D

i race C grade. that's a decent time you got - you would be able to race in club C grade, or lower if you wished. also probably Open C, although you'll always find club A graders lurking and you won't win anything.

btw the guy who has the northbound leg KOM is a strava ambassador, ex-junior national champ and i suspect did it on a road bike. he's worth following on Strava, if just to remind yourself of how much of a hubbard you/we all are in comparison.


What time do you think a typical B grader would get on a normal ride bike?
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Re: Kew Boulie Time?

Postby jules21 » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:18 pm

zill wrote:What time do you think a typical B grader would get on a normal ride bike?

21:00-23:00? i can only guess
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Re: Kew Boulie Time?

Postby cerb » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:13 pm

zill wrote:What time do you think a typical B grader would get on a normal ride bike?


You need to get this concept out of your head. Especially at club level racing, there is a massive variation in skills, fitness and ability within each grade.

1. There is no TYPICAL B-Grader. 'B-Grade' covers a range of fitness levels and riding styles.

- Some people will specialize in crits, road races, TT's, hill climbing etc. etc.
- Some people will be in form and riding well, while others will be carrying some extra kg's, haven't ridden for 2 weeks and have been to a bucks night the night before.
- Some people got to B-Grade and are now on the verge of being demoted back down to C. Some C graders might win B grade, but haven't been promoted yet.

All would put down very different times along any specific course on any specific day. There is no point in trying to find a point of comparison.


2. There is no real NORMAL ride on a bike (in the mathematical sense yes, but not in the sense I presume you're using). There are too many factors which influence the speed you will put down on any particular ride and, again, there is no point in trying to find a point of comparison.


THE ONLY WAY you will be able to find a point of comparison is to go out with a group of people on a certain day at a certain time and see if you can beat them.

Blackburn TimeTrial on the Boulevard and Hawthorn Good Friday Crits are both in the coming weeks and are on that stretch of road - suggest you give one (or both) of them a whirl so that you can see what we mean!

There is nothing to lose from trying and it's certainly better than wondering how awesome you might be! ;)
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Re: Kew Boulie Time?

Postby jules21 » Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:04 pm

well said cerb - agree entirely. as a relatively inexperienced racing cyclist, i am still figuring out my strengths. it seems i'm too big (6'4 and 80kg) to match it with whippets on climbs, and i have no sprinting ability for flat crits. i may be better suited to longer, rolling courses that need some climbing ability but also sustained power on flat, windy sections (at least i hope so). calling yourself "A" or "b" etc. only really works if you so good or so bad that you either excel or suck at everything.
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Re: Kew Boulie Time?

Postby zill » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:26 pm

cerb wrote:
zill wrote:What time do you think a typical B grader would get on a normal ride bike?


You need to get this concept out of your head. Especially at club level racing, there is a massive variation in skills, fitness and ability within each grade.

1. There is no TYPICAL B-Grader. 'B-Grade' covers a range of fitness levels and riding styles.

- Some people will specialize in crits, road races, TT's, hill climbing etc. etc.
- Some people will be in form and riding well, while others will be carrying some extra kg's, haven't ridden for 2 weeks and have been to a bucks night the night before.
- Some people got to B-Grade and are now on the verge of being demoted back down to C. Some C graders might win B grade, but haven't been promoted yet.

All would put down very different times along any specific course on any specific day. There is no point in trying to find a point of comparison.


2. There is no real NORMAL ride on a bike (in the mathematical sense yes, but not in the sense I presume you're using). There are too many factors which influence the speed you will put down on any particular ride and, again, there is no point in trying to find a point of comparison.


THE ONLY WAY you will be able to find a point of comparison is to go out with a group of people on a certain day at a certain time and see if you can beat them.

Blackburn TimeTrial on the Boulevard and Hawthorn Good Friday Crits are both in the coming weeks and are on that stretch of road - suggest you give one (or both) of them a whirl so that you can see what we mean!

There is nothing to lose from trying and it's certainly better than wondering how awesome you might be! ;)


I agree with your point in 1 and that is why I mentioned specifically a "typical" B grade rider. I had in mind someone that is established in B grade (consistent top fifteen finishes week in week out) but not good enough yet to get into A grade. If someone like that doesn't exist then I'm happy to get 5 or 10 B graders that best fit my description and take their average PB times on the Boulie. I know it's very hypothetical at the moment and that is alright with me since I am currently nowhere near B grade level but want a target in mind.

There was a typo in my previous post the word "ride" should be replaced with "road". Sorry about that. I am aware that one can shave a few minutes off by riding a time trail bike. I wanted to know the times for road bikes only.

To be honest, I am in full training mode at the moment. My weight is too high to optimally compete at the moment. However, I am losing weight to get ready for next summer of racing! There is still many months left. My goal is to get from D to A grade in one season (although really fit enough to be in B grade at the start of the season - I'll start at D grade due to poor bike handling skills and lack of racing experience).
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Re: Kew Boulie Time?

Postby donncha » Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:00 am

jules21 wrote:it seems i'm too big (6'4 and 80kg) to match it with whippets on climbs, and i have no sprinting ability for flat crits


You sound just like an Omega-Pharma-Quickstep rouleur.

Guillaume van Keirsbulck, or Stijn Vandenburgh maybe :-)
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Re: Kew Boulie Time?

Postby dalai47 » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:33 pm

Please just get your race licence and start racing now!

Someone who can ride the Boulevard fast doesn't mean they could race at a high grade or especially win at a high grade. They may have a reasonably high FTP so can ride a distance quickly which will help in TT's but doesn't mean they will respond well to surging.

The fastest or fittest rider mostly never wins the race either. It is tactics and racecraft; knowing which wheel to follow, which attack to chase down and which to leave, how to ride smart and conserve energy saving it for when it counts. You learn this through racing and racing lots. Not by sitting looking at Strava times on a climb or loop such as Kew!
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Re: Kew Boulie Time?

Postby __PG__ » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:36 pm

Any results from today's race? Am thinking about having a crack at the Kew TT at some point this year. Have some issues to overcome first. My helmet was bought whilst living O/S and may not pass scrutinising as it doesn't have the Australian Standards sticker on it. Interesting what restrictions exist for a 'race' bike (e.g. no frame pump or saddle bag). And 'plain clothes' only.

There are some mention of 'trial licenses'. Can't find a link though.
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Re: Kew Boulie Time?

Postby jules21 » Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:14 am

results here

riding without an AS-approved helmet is very dangerous - it hasn't been tested for australian conditions :roll: i'm disgusted that the commissaires never seem to check for compliance at races. just don't turn up with one of those 'barely there' euro helmets which scream "non-AS compliant"

Cycling Vic offer 3 race licences. they are distributed by clubs - i'd suggest contacting Blackburn ahead of the next TT (one a month) but i'm sure they'll fix you up.
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Re: Kew Boulie Time?

Postby holywater » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:56 pm

jules21 wrote:results here

riding without an AS-approved helmet is very dangerous - it hasn't been tested for australian conditions :roll: i'm disgusted that the commissaires never seem to check for compliance at races. just don't turn up with one of those 'barely there' euro helmets which scream "non-AS compliant"

Cycling Vic offer 3 race licences. they are distributed by clubs - i'd suggest contacting Blackburn ahead of the next TT (one a month) but i'm sure they'll fix you up.



Do you know how closely they check TT bikes for UCI compliance, or if at all?
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Re: Kew Boulie Time?

Postby jules21 » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:58 pm

holywater wrote:Do you know how closely they check TT bikes for UCI compliance, or if at all?

they are flat out just processing entries.
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Re: Kew Boulie Time?

Postby holywater » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:49 pm

jules21 wrote:
holywater wrote:Do you know how closely they check TT bikes for UCI compliance, or if at all?

they are flat out just processing entries.


Yeah I thought as much.
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