100km Road Race - nutrition tips

For Roadies

100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby Pravda » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:58 pm

Hi guys,
I've got myself signed up for my first B grade road race after getting promoted during the crit season this year. It looks like it'll be a bit of a trial by fire with a 100km course over rolling terrain and about 2000 vertical meters. My longest road race to ate is a touch over 60km and pancake flat.
On the nutrition front I think I have my pre race dialed but wanted some info from the more seasoned campaigners about how much to eat during the race. I've got a healthy selection of caffeinated and non caffeinated gels as well as energy bars and isotonics. They mostly seem to say eat one every 45 minutes so I'm guessing a combination of about 5 or so should do me. I'm anticipating we'll knock the 100 out in about 2.5 hrs.
Thanks in advance.
2011 Bianchi Via Nirone Veloce
Puegeot Aneto 105
Kona Jake the Snake CX
Raceline Keith Oliver Signature Edition
User avatar
Pravda
 
Posts: 421
Joined: Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:16 pm
Location: Perth NOR

by BNA » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:14 pm

BNA
 

100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby toolonglegs » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:14 pm

100km with 2000m elevation only on rolling terrain?... I have one the same length / climbing end of the month and we go up a 15km climb and a couple of 5 km ones. I would think closer to 3 hours.
Anyway a lot of my races are around the 2 to 3 hour mark.... Today's is 75 with around 1000m of climb, 1 bottle ( but well hydrated before ) and 2 or 3 gels in the pockets.
For 3 hours I would go 2 bottles of sports type drink and 3 or so gels.
When it gets over 3 hours you need to start getting a fair bit of food in.
Image
User avatar
toolonglegs
 
Posts: 14353
Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:49 pm
Location: Somewhere with padded walls and really big hills!

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby NeillS » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:23 pm

for a 3 hour or more race I'll have something to eat every 30 minutes. I rotate; a gel, a 40g packet of dried sultanas, a Winners bar in whatever order. This seems to work pretty well for me in conjuction with a 50g per bottle carbohydrate drink, drunk as I feel thirsty.
NeillS
 
Posts: 110
Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:28 pm

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby Derny Driver » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:29 pm

You can get by on a lot less than what you think. My son rode the NRS Goulburn to Sydney 170km on 2 bottles of water and one gel. 4 hours 20 from memory. After the race he was still in good shape.

I agree with tll - 2 bottles and a couple of gels. Drink the water bidon first and use powerade / Endura to bring you home. One little trick is to get those 250ml PopTop juices, empty one out and fill it with powerade. Put it in your back pocket and you can drink it in the last half hour if you need a boost. Slip the gels up the front of your knicks on your quads. You wont be able to eat any thing solid if the heat is on constantly, which Im sure it will be.
Good luck.
User avatar
Derny Driver
 
Posts: 655
Joined: Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:18 am
Location: Wollongong

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby trailgumby » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:52 pm

Interesting. My understanding for fuelling for carbs is 1 to 1.2g per kg bodyweight per hour, at 80kg, that's one bidon and a gel per hour plus half a carb bar. I've found that works well for me for training and mountain bike racing.

Mind you, that's for mountain bike racing, which is like a sprint start followed by a time trial, and I tend to train on my own with no shelter from the wind provided by other riders.

You roadie guys seem to run on a lot less. Is this because the intensity is a lot less at the beginning where most guys hide in the middle of the pack, out of the wind? Or is it because you quaff a full bottle of carbs before you hit the start?
"People have a right to their own opinions, but not their own facts. Evidence must be located, not created, and opinions not backed by evidence cannot be given much weight." -- James W Loewen

http://www.facebook.com/Drive2WorkDay
User avatar
trailgumby
 
Posts: 10262
Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:30 pm
Location: Northern Beaches, Sydney

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby toolonglegs » Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:35 pm

MTB is a bit tougher IMO, 100km mtb race is more like a 200k road race ( longest RR I have done is 175kms ) ... I definitely didn't get enough food and fluids in.
It also depends what you will put up with not to get dropped on the road... If that means making your drinks last then you do, or peeing on the bike so you don't have to stop.
Getting dressed now hoping my diarrhea stops before we start in 55 minutes :-(
Image
User avatar
toolonglegs
 
Posts: 14353
Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:49 pm
Location: Somewhere with padded walls and really big hills!

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby Tarquin » Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:06 pm

2000m is a fair bit of climbing, depends how it comes though I guess.

I'd try and eat something every 40 minutes, maybe a bar, banana then a gel towards the end when you need the energy quicker.

I don't take extra carbs or sugar in my water.
Tarquin
 
Posts: 123
Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:08 pm

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby Stefan_A » Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:43 pm

Derny Driver wrote:You can get by on a lot less than what you think. My son rode the NRS Goulburn to Sydney 170km on 2 bottles of water and one gel. 4 hours 20 from memory. After the race he was still in good shape.


You may get by but you won't perform your best, and if you underhydrate regularly, you'll get less life out of your kidneys.
The gold standard is to know your sweat rate under different circumstances, and replace the fluid lost.

Discussing bottles when bodyweight, bottle size, temp, humidity, and whether you sat in most of the race, leaves a lot to be desired.

I did a 120k 1800m ride starting at 6am today in Brisbane, and am still in negative fluid balance 12 hrs later. Totally underestimated the intensity of the ride. Compromised on fluid intake to save a bit of weight on a nasty climb. Wasn't a good idea.
Stefan_A
 
Posts: 193
Joined: Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:16 pm

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby Derny Driver » Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:48 pm

I never said that what my son did was right, i mentioned it to show that you dont need the nutrition plan of an an ironman triathlete to do a 100 km race. A couple of gels and a muesli bar as others have mentioned will do the job. In a bike race you often dont get the choice or the chance to execute your nutrition hydration plan. It depends on a lot of things. As for hydration well there is a lot of conflicting informstion about how much people should drink during exercise. I wont get into that argument apart from saying that trying to drink the amounts some people revommend during a race is physically impossible.
User avatar
Derny Driver
 
Posts: 655
Joined: Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:18 am
Location: Wollongong

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby Pravda » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:08 pm

Here's a rough map of the course from Strava: http://www.strava.com/routes/229366
It's mostly rolling hills rather than any real climbs. As far as speed, a mate of mine did it last year in C and they averaged 32kph so I'm expecting a quicker race than that.
2011 Bianchi Via Nirone Veloce
Puegeot Aneto 105
Kona Jake the Snake CX
Raceline Keith Oliver Signature Edition
User avatar
Pravda
 
Posts: 421
Joined: Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:16 pm
Location: Perth NOR

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby PomBike » Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:55 pm

Alot of energy drinks have maize starch deravatives. These are OK for a while but become revolting as time goes on. I would mix your arsenal.

http://d2ride.co.uk/News-and-Blog.php
Road and Triathlon Bike Hire, Stafford, England http://www.d2ride.co.uk
User avatar
PomBike
 
Posts: 67
Joined: Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:21 am

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby nailsaslegs » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:38 am

Hydrating wise it depends on how much you sweat, how hot it is going to be as to how many bottles you need. In Tas our longest road roace, 1 bottle is sufficient as we climb Lake Peddar in cold conditions and race to the coast. Food, in the first hour a Shotz bar, then a gel every 40mins. Don't be afraid to eat over 100kms you will need it.
nailsaslegs
 
Posts: 222
Joined: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:17 am

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby Farmer Elvis » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:43 pm

Riding or racing that distance, I usually go for a banana, a muesli bar and half strength Gatorade in my water. I used to go the gels but got a bit sick of them. The muesli bar will often come back un opened.
Farmer Elvis
 
Posts: 178
Joined: Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:45 pm
Location: Nort West N.SW.

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby Xplora » Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:32 am

Over 100kms, most of your nutrition happens the day or two before, the hydration in the last two hours beforehand. Make sure you've eaten properly to max out glycogen levels, and drunk enough to take a bathroom break before you start. A gel, bottle of gatorade, a bottle of water, a banana. Done. Easy to digest, the key is preserving glycogen, you can't produce it over 2.5 hours.

You call them rolling hills, I don't know how much climbing you expect to call it a climb but I would be careful filling up those bidons, you don't want to carry 1.5kgs up the hill for nothing. :idea:
Xplora
 
Posts: 5863
Joined: Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:33 pm
Location: TL;DR

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby Cul » Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:12 pm

Xplora wrote:Over 100kms, most of your nutrition happens the day or two before, the hydration in the last two hours beforehand. Make sure you've eaten properly to max out glycogen levels, and drunk enough to take a bathroom break before you start. A gel, bottle of gatorade, a bottle of water, a banana. Done. Easy to digest, the key is preserving glycogen, you can't produce it over 2.5 hours.


This, during a "shorter" race on the bike nutrition isn't as important as the steps before hand. Two biddons with your prefered performance drink, a gel or two and a banana should be more than enough.
Cul
 
Posts: 153
Joined: Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:58 pm

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby macca33 » Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:54 pm

I did a 100Km race during winter last year, early in my racing career. It was a flat handicap and I rolled turns for the first 60Km with my group, then when caught, sat in, only doing a couple of short turns. I ate 2 x gels and had a solitary bidon (water) and they were nowhere near enough.

I reckon that if you are going that long, apart from pre-race hydration / eating, you need at least 2 x gels, an energy bar / Clif bar or similar, banana maybe and 2 x bidons - one with gatorade/powerade and one with high-quality H2O.

I know everyone is different, but it is no good racing for 60, 70, 80, 90, 99Km if you go completely flat and are ineffective at the pointy end.

Since that time, I have paid attention to others and was initially very surprised to see how much people who know what they are doing eat on the longer club races.....

cheers
'dale CAAD10 Berzerker Ult6800 & CAAD10 Team Ult6800

Image
macca33
 
Posts: 808
Joined: Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:05 pm
Location: West Gippy

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby Xplora » Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:51 pm

I recall an article on cyclingtips (?) that found that over a couple hours, a lot of the benefit was actually sending signals to your brain that you aren't at risk of getting thirsty or going hungry... the performance dip comes from your brain protecting itself, NOT from lack of water or lack of food. This is not the case once you're doing 150+ because you are going to run out of those fat reserves eventually... but it's really important to bear in mind that the amount of effort you put into riding 100kms vs that gel and gatorade isn't really 1:1.

I am sitting on the fence for this... the research DOES support sugar rinses, but I also recognise that even with a power meter I will never be sensible enough with my nutrition prerace to guarantee that eating midrace will be worthless. :idea: I was hurting way worse on my 120km with boaf than my 350km last Friday. :shock:
Xplora
 
Posts: 5863
Joined: Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:33 pm
Location: TL;DR

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby toolonglegs » Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:40 pm

You can put all you want in your mouth at race pace, the body can only utilize a certain amount of it, so the more you do longer races the better you get at estimating your needs.
My average race is 2 hours, a couple of gels in the pocket is fine for me, often they go unused. Drinks depend on the conditions, sometimes 500 mls is fine, sometimes 1.5l isn't enough.
But once I go over 2 hours I need to eat and drink or I start to feel it... no surprise when your burning 1100Kcal per hour or so.
Only real hunger / thirst bonk I had was on a 175km race with 4000m climbing... I thought I was getting a lot in, but I obviously didn't and the last 90 minutes were horrible :lol: .
Image
User avatar
toolonglegs
 
Posts: 14353
Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:49 pm
Location: Somewhere with padded walls and really big hills!

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby Pravda » Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:57 pm

Looks like it'll be pretty warm here in Perth sp it'll definitely be a two bottle day. Going to try and bribe a mate to give me handups in the feedzone too. Bottles that is no food.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk
2011 Bianchi Via Nirone Veloce
Puegeot Aneto 105
Kona Jake the Snake CX
Raceline Keith Oliver Signature Edition
User avatar
Pravda
 
Posts: 421
Joined: Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:16 pm
Location: Perth NOR

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby singlespeedscott » Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:33 pm

I couldn't even comprehend what it would be like to race that distance with that much climbing? I reckon I would be off the back after the first climb. The rest would be a solo training ride :lol:
When I ride those distances at a normal pace I would usually only drink one 700ml bidon and 6 pitted dates.
Image
User avatar
singlespeedscott
 
Posts: 3148
Joined: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:35 pm
Location: Elimbah, Queensland

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby toolonglegs » Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:14 pm

You've been following me long enough on Strava to know I haven't done anything like that for a loooong time :lol:
Image
User avatar
toolonglegs
 
Posts: 14353
Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:49 pm
Location: Somewhere with padded walls and really big hills!

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby singlespeedscott » Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:20 pm

:D
Image
User avatar
singlespeedscott
 
Posts: 3148
Joined: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:35 pm
Location: Elimbah, Queensland

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby KGB » Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:54 am

I did 175 yesterday, solo and ate a croissant, 3 muesli bar things, half a packet of snakes, a litre of sports drink and probably 3x750 biddons of water. Still wasn't properly hydrated by the end.
Image
User avatar
KGB
 
Posts: 684
Joined: Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:49 pm

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby ikm » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:06 pm

And only 8 of the A grade field finished the race? 150km and 3,000m on a warm day seemed to take it's toll.
ikm
 
Posts: 81
Joined: Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:12 pm
Location: Perth, WA

Re: 100km Road Race - nutrition tips

Postby happysumo » Thu May 15, 2014 2:45 pm

Just got word I'll be bumped up to A grade for a race this Saturday.

120km. Never raced further than 80.

Normally get by on 1.5 bidons of water and a handful of natural confec. dinosaurs.

Any word on what to eat tonight, tomorrow, saturday morning, and during the race?



Also my training between now and then will consist of 2x20's at around 90-95% of FTP tonight up a mountain around here, and a 15 minute to/from work commute tomorrow. Did 150km of endurance with a few hard spurts here and there yesterday. Sounds OK?
Nerrrvvess.....
happysumo
 
Posts: 32
Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:28 am

Next

Return to Road Biking

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users



Popular Bike Shops
Torpedo 7 Torpedo7 AU
Ground Effect Ground Effect NZ
Chain Reaction Cycles CRC UK
Wiggle Wiggle UK
Ebay Ebay AU

“Bicycles BNA Twitter
“Bicycles BNA Facebook
“Google+ BNA Google+
“Bicycles BNA Newsletter

> FREE BNA Stickers
> BNA Cycling Kit