Consider others when you stop pedaling
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Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby Big Pete 1 » Tue May 23, 2017 12:12 pm
I have nothing against stop pedaling, I do it myself. It is this see-awing forward and back motion when someone stops pedaling and then starts pedaling again. They do not consider the fact that they are reversing, in momentum, into the guy behind them.
Personally, if I have to stop pedaling, knowing that my momentum will slow down, I always push harder on my last down stroke to counteract any slowing down. I slightly move forward and then drift back to where I was. In this way, the guy behind me does not have to change his tempo. I do this when I want to get off my saddle for a quick stretch.
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby rodneycc » Tue May 23, 2017 12:48 pm
Ok not very helpful.
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby macca33 » Tue May 23, 2017 12:55 pm
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby Big Pete 1 » Tue May 23, 2017 2:19 pm
I am not fit enough to always lead the ride, though most would say I do more than most.rodneycc wrote:Easy answer to this.. Take a turn at the front!
Ok not very helpful.
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby Big Pete 1 » Tue May 23, 2017 2:21 pm
Unfortunately I have said so to the worst offenders but I suppose some habits die hard.macca33 wrote:Isn't this something you need to discuss with the rider/s concerned and/or your bunch, in general, prior to the bunch ride???
I am just expressing a pet hate and a way to avoid being a see-saw rider.
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby Big Pete 1 » Tue May 23, 2017 2:22 pm
I live in a rural area, not much choice as to who you ride with.Derny Driver wrote:Or dont do bunch rides with people who dont know how to bunch ride
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby silentC » Tue May 23, 2017 4:08 pm
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby Big Pete 1 » Tue May 23, 2017 9:02 pm
We quite often go at a good tempo for many kilometres. Conserving energy become important. So we hang in close to the guy in front.silentC wrote:That sounds more like a group of cyclists riding together than a bunch. If so, I would be leaving a good distance to the bike in front of me to allow for any such variations in speed. If they are riding like that, they aren't likely to be taking the whole thing seriously enough to be considering what you are doing behind them.
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby Big Pete 1 » Tue May 23, 2017 9:06 pm
Oh yeah! Good bucking idea.Calvin27 wrote:Organise a fixed gear ride. Those habits will disappear after one occurrence, guaranteed.
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby silentC » Wed May 24, 2017 9:51 am
Yeah I know why you do it. But if you have guys who are varying their speed all the time like that, it sounds like they aren't taking it very seriously. What I am saying is that in a ride like that I wouldn't be on the guy's wheel at all. In fact I'd probably do my best to be ahead of him because I would find it annoying too. If it's the whole group doing it then you'd probably be better riding alone. Or just treat it like a social ride and have a chat.Big Pete 1 wrote: We quite often go at a good tempo for many kilometres. Conserving energy become important. So we hang in close to the guy in front.
We have a semi-serious bunch ride every Sunday. There is a core group who is always there but we are often infiltrated by others of various experience levels. Before you know it, you are being overtaken on the left and the right at the same time, people riding 3 & 4 abreast, ducking and weaving all over the road, nobody is calling debris or potholes etc. I just either hang right back or try to get well ahead of it. Back is best because you can see what is going on.
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby Big Pete 1 » Wed May 24, 2017 11:28 am
Another rider which I avoid is those that can't ride straight. One guy I know can't sit still, and lacks focus. He keeps looking around and where he looks his bike tends to follow. I avoid him like the plague.
I never depend on anybody to tell me about hazards, potholes, etc on the road. I always look where I am going. You know it is bad, in the bunch, when I am the last rider calling out "POTHOLE!!" for the guys up front.
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby silentC » Wed May 24, 2017 11:43 am
I ride with another bunch every Wednesday. There is a large lump of tar on the shoulder that we ride past every week. This morning the guy in front of me points it out. He must have pointed at it hundreds of times over the years to the same group of riders. It's funny in a way but it is second nature to some of us.
I try to hold my line too. I like to imagine the guy behind me thinking, gee look how straight his line is, he doesn't vary. He probably isn't thinking that but it's better than him thinking "is this guy drunk?", which is what I think about a lot of riders I have followed
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby Rex » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:42 pm
So this.Derny Driver wrote:Or dont do bunch rides with people who dont know how to bunch ride
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby AUbicycles » Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:50 pm
In some club racing and as something I introduced into bunch rides, a rider who wants to get out of the saddle calls 'Standing'. This is really for tight bunches and compensates the problem of changing velocity - so riders behind simply ease-off a little and increase the gap.
It works wonders for the leg-stretch and particularly for climbing when a rider infront can substantially change tempo when they stand (first slowing - especially when they change up into a harder gear before standing and then accelerating).
Introducing calls and signs is not always easy - but there is nothing wrong with a pre or post ride suggestion to the whole group to try a few new calls which make it safer for all. Some of the old grumpy bastards will surely complain because they never needed those calls when they orange-boys at the local cricket club, but because there are a lot of new riders, it helps them behave more safely in a group and doesn't detract from the ride quality.
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby bychosis » Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:03 pm
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby trailgumby » Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:20 pm
Discipline varies wildly between bunches. They're good in that they add an important social side, and motivation as well (staying on that wheel up the climb) but some are a bit lax with the signalling, which makes me nervous. Surging (as you've described) and riding in the door zone bug me as well. Fortunately the bunch I've joined here in Sydney are good with that kind of stuff.
I'm about to start training for the Can4Cancer ride from Canberra to Sydney, so I'll be joining a bunch with wildly varying levels of experience for that, which will be interesting. They have a published etiquette guide which is excellent and they enforce it strictly, so I think we'll be fine.
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby ColinOldnCranky » Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:41 am
Then again, you would have to be in really shape to drift behind me.
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby g-boaf » Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:54 am
For the benefit of others and before we have an all out brawl, he is on one wheel only.ColinOldnCranky wrote:Geez Pete, you'd hate riding behind me. On my ride it's impossible to maintain a consistent cadence over even 100m.
Then again, you would have to be in really shape to drift behind me.
Surging sometimes can be good as well - if someone puts in a big effort on a hill it forces you to think, will I go with him (can I manage it), will he blow up, etc. That can be good training too.
When I started riding, everyone else was surging because they were much fitter than I was; only way was to tough it out and try to stay with them, hard as it was.
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby RobertL » Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:48 am
That took me by surprise as a newbie, and I have pointed it out to other newbies since.
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby Ignoto » Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:57 am
To combat this, I generally shift up a gear (or two) which will then allow me to still keep spinning at a consistent (albeit higher) cadence. Come crit/race time, its easier to go with a sudden surge/attack if you're spinning compared to coasting and then having to stomp on the pedals.bychosis wrote: A couple of times I had to stop pedalling because I was gaining on him. It was hard to keep my speed matching his.
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby jules21 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:54 am
particularly in racing, sometimes the rider ahead just gives up and drops the wheel. usually they're hoping you will come around them and bridge the gap, while they recuperate behind you. here you must make a careful choice of whether to call their bluff and stay on their wheel - and risk losing the bunch - or do their work for them and overtake. but that doesn't really apply in a bunch ride.
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby Rex » Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:37 pm
It's either lack of bunch riding skills or ego or both that cause it and it only makes other guys blow-up sooner or make everyone angry.
BTW, if you find yourself needing to stop pedaling and coast then back on the pedals then coast again while on their wheel, then you need to learn to give yourself a bit more space perhaps, drop a gear and better match the speed. Unless the rider is all over the shop then I'd go around him or let him go.
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Re: Consider others when you stop pedaling
Postby g-boaf » Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:11 pm
There are some very skilled bunch riders who do surge the pace (and I really mean it, not just a little accelleration), it's in bunch rides that are pretty much flat out and everyone is trying to destroy everyone else. No ego there either. Everyone knew what they were in for, they all knew it would be like that and that's why they went along.Rex wrote:Surging in a bunch ride is my number one hate.
It's either lack of bunch riding skills or ego or both that cause it and it only makes other guys blow-up sooner or make everyone angry.
BTW, if you find yourself needing to stop pedaling and coast then back on the pedals then coast again while on their wheel, then you need to learn to give yourself a bit more space perhaps, drop a gear and better match the speed. Unless the rider is all over the shop then I'd go around him or let him go.
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