30km/h speed zone to be enforced in Melbourne's inner north

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Re: 30km/h speed zone to be enforced in Melbourne's inner north

Postby fat and old » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:22 pm

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fat and old wrote:It will be interesting to see the results. TBH, there's not that many rat runners there; council has made it very very difficult with the street directions (one ways etc) and closures. Given the very high density of population and cars living there I'd think that most incidents are localised.


Very true. And that is also why this is all a storm in a tea cup. The frothing at the mouth "motorists" are very unlikely to be using these streets at all. Pretty much the only non locals that uses these streets are people looking for parks for shopping, cafes, schools etc...



Yep, and apart from the school runs most of that type of travel is well outside school hours.

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Re: 30km/h speed zone to be enforced in Melbourne's inner north

Postby Scintilla » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:24 pm

Serious injury crashes for the past 5 years from CrashStats. It would seem that the real problems are on the main roads (Nicholson, Brunswick, Alexandra Pde, and especially , Johnson and Hoddle Streets. But these are all (I believe) Vicroads-managed roads.

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It would seem that the CoY is simply trying to make a statement about safety and street amenity on behalf of their residents, on the streets that they actually have control over. Wellington Street with its 40 kmh limit and good bike lanes is a CoY-controlled street. With 535 fatalities in the CoY and over 14,000 serious injuries over the 2012-2017 period, trying to reduce injuries and deaths would seem to be a good goal

Good on 'em, I say.

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Re: 30km/h speed zone to be enforced in Melbourne's inner north

Postby mikesbytes » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:36 pm

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mikesbytes wrote:I'm aware of one 30kph street in Sydney CBD where the speed limit is ignored

Sure some people speed. But that is no reason not to have limits nor to reduce them where needed.


Agree

I should of written my comment better, I was suggesting that Melbourne was way better than Sydney in regards to the 30kph area, which as far as I can see is much larger in Melbourne
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Re: 30km/h speed zone to be enforced in Melbourne's inner north

Postby Scintilla » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:39 pm

mikesbytes wrote:I should of written my comment better, I was suggesting that Melbourne was way better than Sydney in regards to the 30kph area, which as far as I can see is much larger in Melbourne

Currently I am not aware of ANY areas in Melbourne (outside of some private apartment/unit/industrial complexes) that has a 30 kmh speed limit.

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Re: 30km/h speed zone to be enforced in Melbourne's inner north

Postby fat and old » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:08 am

Scintilla wrote:Serious injury crashes for the past 5 years from CrashStats. It would seem that the real problems are on the main roads (Nicholson, Brunswick, Alexandra Pde, and especially , Johnson and Hoddle Streets. But these are all (I believe) Vicroads-managed.Image



Nicholson and Brunswick are Council.

A few observations:

Napier St, which has 3 incidents is one of the few Nth/Sth routes that doesn't have single direction exits at Johnson St; that is you can exit left, right or go straight ahead. It's also the natural and designated cycle path funneling down from Queens Rd from the north for those who don't use Wellington or St. Georges/Brunswick; it's much slower and calmer.

The worst part of Johnson St for incidents (Brunswick to Nicholson) is also the place with the highest density of peds and bars in that whole area. It also has the area's only supermarket. And the best Spanish food outlet in Melbourne.

Brunwsick St has more peds walking about oblivious than any other street there, even Smith (barring the outlet shops in the section between Johnson and Alexandra). It also carries the largest volume of "dedicated" commuter cyclists in that area.

Hoddle St is Hoddle St. The area with the most incidents is the area where most of the "!! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !!, I'm in the wrong lane" used to happen. With the new mods to Hoddle it will be interesting to see if they decrease.

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Re: 30km/h speed zone to be enforced in Melbourne's inner north

Postby human909 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:01 pm

It should also be noted that fatal and serious injury accidents are still just the tip of the ice-berg of minor injuries or close calls. Based on the previous media report Yarra is getting data from additional sources.

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