Huge 'debates' happen on that facebook page all the time. Mostly about collisions and other stupid stuff only involving motorised transport.mikesbytes wrote:An incident where the rider appears to not of been hurt has apparently sparked a huge debate
http://www.news.com.au/technology/onlin ... 85f0860d96
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Postby Cheesewheel » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:38 am
Some years ago a bus driver killed a pedestrian under similar circumstances (can't remember if it was in nsw). He faced criminal charges and scored jail time iirc.mikesbytes wrote:An incident where the rider appears to not of been hurt has apparently sparked a huge debate
http://www.news.com.au/technology/onlin ... 85f0860d96
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Postby Cyclophiliac » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:49 am
It's a shared path, so how about behaving accordingly?
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Postby BrianDamage » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:04 am
I just shrugged, braked and steered around him, like I normally would. However, couldn't resist pointing out that "you stop for a car, but not for a bike", to which he replies "f**k you, mate". Naturally I then had to pull over then to continue the conversation. He says that he saw me coming (but still chose to cross in front of me, doing about 35km/h).
Can't quite hear what he says as he skulks back to his mum's basement, but it's something like "you're lucky I don't hit you, alright". I guess so
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Postby Philistine » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:21 am
It looked to me as though he simply assumed you were going slower than you actually were. This is all too common where I ride. Pedestrians (and motorists too) expect cyclists to be traveling just above walking pace, and are surprised when the gap between them and me closes a lot faster than they thought it would.BrianDamage wrote:I'm riding in the bicycle lane when I see this guy crossing the road ahead. He lets the car go past, but then steps out right on front of me, using the old, "if I don't look, he won't hit me" tactic.
BTW - his tactic (if it was a tactic) worked!
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Postby RobertL » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:26 am
The tip that I've picked up to deal with pedestrians who don't see me is to call out in a clear voice "heads up!". It sounds like a non-inflammatory way of alerting them to the fact that you've seen them and that they haven't seen you - however, they know that you are really accusing them of walking dangerously.BrianDamage wrote:I'm riding in the bicycle lane when I see this guy crossing the road ahead. He lets the car go past, but then steps out right on front of me, using the old, "if I don't look, he won't hit me" tactic.
I just shrugged, braked and steered around him, like I normally would. However, couldn't resist pointing out that "you stop for a car, but not for a bike", to which he replies "f**k you, mate". Naturally I then had to pull over then to continue the conversation. He says that he saw me coming (but still chose to cross in front of me, doing about 35km/h).
Can't quite hear what he says as he skulks back to his mum's basement, but it's something like "you're lucky I don't hit you, alright". I guess so
It works even if they have seen you and are pretending that they haven't.
It works best when there are other pedestrians who look around and see what's going on and wonder how their fellow pedestrian did not see a bicycle.
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Postby BrianDamage » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:20 pm
I like the idea of calling "head's up" - it does sound a bit friendlier than "bike!", which to some probably sounds like "self-entitled lycra w*nker!"
Of course, then you get the risk of how they react once they realise you're coming through; freeze, continue or step back straight into your path anyway. Another reason I commute on my CX bike with its very decent disc brakes.
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Postby bychosis » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:11 pm
I find the same, it's often just better to get on with riding around them, perhaps with a mild shake of the head and a 'tsk, tsk'. Then get on with enjoying the rest of your day.BrianDamage wrote:.. the risk of how they react once they realise you're coming through; freeze, continue or step back straight into your path anyway.
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Postby antigee » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:40 pm
...i call them accidental pedestrians...some unfortunate situation has forced the driver out of their car and they walk the same as they drive...with a FU i go first attitude...opening the car door and getting out and then walking up the cycle lane towards you looking for a gap in the passing stream of traffic as you grind to a halt is the one that really gets meBrianDamage wrote:I'm riding in the bicycle lane when I see this guy crossing the road ahead. He lets the car go past, but then steps out right on front of me, using the old, "if I don't look, he won't hit me" tactic.
I just shrugged, braked and steered around him, like I normally would. However, couldn't resist pointing out that "you stop for a car, but not for a bike", to which he replies "f**k you, mate". Naturally I then had to pull over then to continue the conversation. He says that he saw me coming (but still chose to cross in front of me, doing about 35km/h).
Can't quite hear what he says as he skulks back to his mum's basement, but it's something like "you're lucky I don't hit you, alright". I guess so
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Postby kenwstr » Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:13 pm
Probably a bit old school but:Cheesewheel wrote:Some years ago a bus driver killed a pedestrian under similar circumstances (can't remember if it was in nsw). He faced criminal charges and scored jail time iirc.mikesbytes wrote:An incident where the rider appears to not of been hurt has apparently sparked a huge debate
http://www.news.com.au/technology/onlin ... 85f0860d96
"Here lies the body of Julian Grey,
Who died defending his right-of-way.
He was right, dead right,
as he droned along,
But he's just as dead as if he was wrong."
The point being not to rely on right of way because people do dumb stuff so look and act appropriately to what is actually happening.
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Postby duncan16v » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:50 am
Remember the first commandment, newbies! Though shalt not filter to the front at traffic lights. No. No. NO!
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Postby Philistine » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:10 am
This is not set in concrete. It is OK to filter to the front provided you can get away from the lights without holding up the people you have just passed. There might be an extra lane or a bike lane starting the other side of the lights, or you might be turning left or right while everyone else is going straight ahead.duncan16v wrote:
Remember the first commandment, newbies! Though shalt not filter to the front at traffic lights. No. No. NO!
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Postby Cyclophiliac » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:15 am
Sometimes it's perfectly justified. I've approached traffic lights where cyclists ahead of me have left large gaps, instead of queuing behind each other, or filling up the bike box width. If there's a bike-sized gap available for me to use, I have no problem using it, and I'm doing nothing wrong by using it.duncan16v wrote:Christmas newbies are out in force this morning causing more than the usual chaos
Remember the first commandment, newbies! Though shalt not filter to the front at traffic lights. No. No. NO!
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Postby nezumi » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:50 pm
I believe that the road rules state somewhere that if there is a bike box, you are supposed to filter up and use it. I may, however, be talking out of my proverbial, as I cannot find this in the rules at a quick read.Cyclophiliac wrote:Sometimes it's perfectly justified. I've approached traffic lights where cyclists ahead of me have left large gaps, instead of queuing behind each other, or filling up the bike box width. If there's a bike-sized gap available for me to use, I have no problem using it, and I'm doing nothing wrong by using it.duncan16v wrote:Christmas newbies are out in force this morning causing more than the usual chaos
Remember the first commandment, newbies! Though shalt not filter to the front at traffic lights. No. No. NO!
I will filter as and when it is appropriate in order to put myself in the safest position and not impede the normal flow of traffic, including:
Filtering to the front to pass slower riders early, rather than riding between cars in the main lane.
Filtering when I know I will be turning right soon, and I am generally faster off the mark at lights than most drivers.
Filtering when there is heavy congestion and I am able to do so.
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Postby kenwstr » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:59 am
Show me where that is writ in the traffic code?duncan16v wrote:Christmas newbies are out in force this morning causing more than the usual chaos
Remember the first commandment, newbies! Though shalt not filter to the front at traffic lights. No. No. NO!
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Postby duncan16v » Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:52 pm
It is writ large in Letters Of Fire in the duncan16v Young Person's Guide to Cycling Righteousness.kenwstr wrote:Show me where that is writ in the traffic code?duncan16v wrote:Christmas newbies are out in force this morning causing more than the usual chaos
Remember the first commandment, newbies! Though shalt not filter to the front at traffic lights. No. No. NO!
Available at all good bookstores.
Or not. I might have made that up.
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Postby duncanm » Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:36 pm
I find there's a critical queue length at which filtering is required: (queue clearance time) > (light cycle time)duncan16v wrote:Christmas newbies are out in force this morning causing more than the usual chaos
Remember the first commandment, newbies! Though shalt not filter to the front at traffic lights. No. No. NO!
One must also filter when the far side of the intersection is blocked, so the only traffic getting through is 2-wheeled
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Postby NASHIE » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:02 pm
Mate i think even a 'happy new year' would of got you the same responsekenwstr wrote:Yesterday on shared path approaching the low level bridge Bathurst, I encountered 3 youths milling around aimlessly & obliviously blocking the path. I was approaching downhill so on the brakes and couldn't reach the bell so I call out "look up". Well, they clear the path but one asks " what did you say", me "I said look up". For this I get a "F... off". I fail to see how alerting people to an approaching hazard that could result in their painful injury is in any way offensive deserving of being sworn at.....
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Being silly season I've kept of the road and on the PSPs, and WOW some real morons on bikes. Rider i had passed 5 min earlier pulled up behind me at a rail crossing, and asked where the train was. I could see train light down the line so said not far. Too far for mister impaintent, so he starts to ride around boom gates. I shout out what i think of his actions which halts him as the train comes through about 5sec later. His reply is to point at the waiting fast response ambulance (subaru forester) waiting first car in line with flashing lights on, and tell me at least he would get treated quickly if hit . The way he had no hesitation of wanting to ride through tells me its common practice for him .
Same ride and red ped crossing in CBD (Perth) it was Sunday morning so little traffic but 5-6riders where waiting on the other side, so do the right thing, but granny and grandad behind me in all the kit get frustrated and barge throught just as light turns green, so i.e. 6 bikes crossing towards us and us now 3 abreast I slow for peds on other side crossing from our left and the old girl nearly cleans them both up while grandad nearly cleans me up. Let peds go and get going again now having to tell grandad to get out of the right hand lane so i can pass. They did manage a sorry.
All that chaos because some can't be stuffed waiting for a few seconds.
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