The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby find_bruce » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:31 pm

As I read it, you cannot be sirrus was complaining about the dog & because I am a wise guy I feel the need to point out that a dog is not a pedestrian, but of course it sounds better in latin canis non pedestrem
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby eldavo » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:50 pm

g-boaf wrote:Unfortunately some people don't want to share the infrastructure like shared paths, especially wide/open ones - so rules need to be brought in to make this happen. Such as keep left at all times unless overtaking. This would make things a lot better. And no riding two-abreast. And no riding with your dogs leashed to the handlebars... :roll:


They have a few:
Leading animals:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/wa/c ... /s267.html
An aside, drugs and animals ;) http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/wa/c ... /s270.html

Cyclists not two abreast and keep left:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/wa/c ... /s216.html

I know we would like pedestrians to predictably keep left and have a greater consequence for not doing so, but I presume as being vulnerable physical harm is already a grave consequence, it was left open to avoid generating a pig headed righteous mentality of judge/jury/executioner cyclists to pedestrians not keeping left, where the safer preference of slowing down to safe speed for conditions around unpredictable positioned pedestrians occurs. There's probably research for the general cross mode behaviour and prevalence of Keep Left to bleed into pedestrians enough to generally observe the pleas and signage and path markings. There's the age old no-path road pedestrian safety of walking into path on roadside of oncoming traffic, that with cyclist speed differential is a preference for some to do that also, and when debated the solution of having to slow down regardless is typically the safer option.

(I must have eaten to be this understanding... bear in mind the research that people commuting home before dinner with lower blood sugar level have poorer judgement, greater aggression and more likely to road rage)
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby high_tea » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:54 pm

find_bruce wrote:As I read it, you cannot be sirrus was complaining about the dog & because I am a wise guy I feel the need to point out that a dog is not a pedestrian, but of course it sounds better in latin canis non pedestrem


Well, you know what they say, "quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur". :D

But heh, nice point :D . The same thought did make the short and non particularly scenic trip across my mind, followed by the thought that they probably breached some dog-control law that I can't be bothered looking up.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby eldavo » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:59 pm

I think this is the most popular new reg to hit the streets, under general applies to all users:

ROAD TRAFFIC CODE 2000 - REG 307

307 . Do whatever the truck you want everyone else can duck off and get out of your clucking way.

Modified AP: 4
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby bychosis » Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:21 am

eldavo wrote:I think this is the most popular new reg to hit the streets, under general applies to all users:

ROAD TRAFFIC CODE 2000 - REG 307

307 . Do whatever the truck you want everyone else can duck off and get out of your clucking way.

Modified AP: 4
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I think that some has crossed the Road Traffic Code with the Farm Bird Code. We need to get onto the pollies and rally to get this corrected.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Venus62 » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:24 pm

Saw a great one yesterday. Guy on a bike right on dusk, riding against the flow of traffic. No helmet, no lights and talking on a mobile phone. Unbelievable.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby g-boaf » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:52 pm

Amazing - two people on bikes (with wide flat handlebars) going side by side on a shared path, and expected me to pass on the remain 50cm of path... And the guy wondered why I didn't want to go past them... :x

They didn't even go single file for an oncoming bike rider... I so much prefer the M7.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby lobstermash » Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:20 pm

I have a stretch of shared pathway on my commute that's completely unlit. Pitch black. The number of people dressed in black from head to toe, walking black dogs on black leashes after dusk along there is astonishing. Coupled with the two wheeled spotlighters, I'm surprised I haven't collected anyone along there yet, even though I do take it slow (and it's down hill). Athllon Drive in Canberra for those familiar...
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby g-boaf » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:38 pm

Yeah - I get them around my way too. A section near my place (about 5km) is not lit at all, probably to keep the conservation value high. Just have to go slower and use the brightest and best lights you can get.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Bah77 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:53 pm

Is it a dumb pedestrian thing when runners run against traffic?
Noticed it while riding Coot-tha today, heaps of runners on the wrong side of the road, a little disconcerting when you are rounding a corner on the inside and there is someone running towards you.. on the other hand its not much difference if they were running away as id still have to slow and move around, and theres no footpaths, but then there are trails they could run on.. so i'm a little torn on whether its bad or not.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby GeoffInBrisbane » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:20 pm

Aren't pedestrians (which I guess includes runners) supposed to stay on the opposing side to traffic? Is that the rule here, or just what I'm remembering from England (where it definitely is the rule)?
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby ldrcycles » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:50 pm

I remember being taught in primary school to always walk against traffic if there was no footpath and you had to walk on the road.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Bah77 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:21 pm


This is the one that had me thinking, even though there were heaps more doing it (and a few running with traffic), just he was right at the apex as i was coming around the corner. Really is nothing in it, and its a pretty minor gripe if it even raises to the level of gripe.
I remember being taught in primary school to always walk against traffic
I rode my bike against traffic too when i was a kid, before i knew better.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Lukeyboy » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:25 pm

ldrcycles wrote:I remember being taught in primary school to always walk against traffic if there was no footpath and you had to walk on the road.


Same here. Always walk against traffic so you can take avoiding action or to step out of the way of traffic then resume when clear but only if there was no footpath or no walkable nature strip available.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Bah77 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:33 pm

Also nice parking, on a curve, apex, and intersection.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby trailgumby » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:54 pm

Bah77 wrote:Is it a dumb pedestrian thing when runners run against traffic?

No, it's the smart thing. NO, I am not being facetious.

As a runner, you can't avoid what you're looking away from.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Bah77 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:11 pm

Ive seen that same argument used when someone suggests cyclists ride against traffic, not that i disagree with you.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby redned » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:22 pm

Bah77 wrote:Ive seen that same argument used when someone suggests cyclists ride against traffic, not that i disagree with you.

The difference is that cyclists are traffic.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby citywomble » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:42 pm

This is one area of the various road traffic codes that is consistent across states.

A pedestrian is not permitted to walk in the road, other than to cross by the shortest route, while there is a suitable footpath or verge. Where there is not, and this the the case on Coot-tha, then a pedestrian is REQUIRED by law to walk, or run on the opposite side facing oncoming traffic. This would also include a motorised gopher, wheelchairs, pushchairs etc, although more likely to be seen in built up areas.

To avoid confusion, and because pedestrians are required to walk on the right facing traffic when in the road, that is also why (in WA at least) pedestrians are allowed to walk on the right on a shared path and only advised to walk on the left.

Finally, pedestrians are also traffic (which is why they are covered by the road traffic codes) but they are not vehicles - that is the main difference.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Ross » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:50 pm

On my commute home on Friday on shared path there was a pedestrian girl (late teen/early 20s) stopped in the middle of the bike path for several minutes fiddling with her iDevice (I'm a technophobe so dont know if it was 'phone or 'pod but it looked like she was doing something with music) wjle several bikes including me weaved around her. I gave her plenty of room when I passed, some other riders didn't, but she didn't bat an eyelid at anyone.I reckon you could of driven a road train within a metre of her and she wouldn't of noticed. :roll:

Saw a guy on a bike this morning with a red flashing light on the rear of his bike and a flashing white light facing the rear on his helmet. :?
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby bychosis » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:22 pm

Ross wrote:
Saw a guy on a bike this morning with a red flashing light on the rear of his bike and a flashing white light facing the rear on his helmet. :?


Some days it just feels like your head is on the wrong way....

Saw my local 'jogger with personal safety disregard' (mentioned previosuly in this thread) following this run toward oncoming traffic a couple of days ago on the apex of a corner that most cars shave, when there was plenty of flat grass to detour onto for a few steps.

Agree that peds should walk towards oncoming traffic, on roads, however there are plenty of occasions where it would be more prudent to choose an alternative, keeping in mind things like sight distance for vehicles, escape routes etc. walking towards traffic on a tight blind apex whe there is an alternative on the side with your back to the traffic. Some folk (not here) have suggested walking toward vehicles for shared paths too, but I can't see it working there. Is easier to overtake peds, than to dodge them oncoming. Peds on road take a small portion of the road, where they take a significant portion of a shared path.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Bah77 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:50 pm

citywomble wrote: then a pedestrian is REQUIRED by law to walk, or run on the opposite side facing oncoming traffic.
Well now i know, i wasnt sure, as i said i was just thinking about it, and it seemed 50/50 as to which side people decided to run/walk on.
And yes i would rather see the cyclist coming down the road, than get a sudden shock when he flies past silently at 50km/h, hell i sometimes get startled when they silently overtake me while riding and i have semi zoned out due to effort or whatever.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby bigfriendlyvegan » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:55 pm

lobstermash wrote:I have a stretch of shared pathway on my commute that's completely unlit. Pitch black. The number of people dressed in black from head to toe, walking black dogs on black leashes after dusk along there is astonishing. Coupled with the two wheeled spotlighters, I'm surprised I haven't collected anyone along there yet, even though I do take it slow (and it's down hill). Athllon Drive in Canberra for those familiar...


I actually stopped once and thanked a guy for (a) wearing a vest and (b) having a light up leash and collar on his dog while he was walking it. It makes so much of a difference when people are active about their visibility.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Wakatuki » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:12 am

With regard to Joggers, for my sins this is an activity I have taken up (prepares to duck and weave), what's next, swimming!

I have to let you know concrete footpaths really take their toll on your legs, grass sucks up your speed and strength, although a nice temporary cushioning. Tarmac does have some give, certainly more than concrete. I always stay close to the curb where safe, however keep fit walkers in the road do frustrate me, one old guy on my estate is almost in the middle of the road and to his right is a near new concrete path. :roll:

I did a 10k run Sunday (I had to split it at the 8K mark but that's another story) most of it has no footpath, on the gravel road I ran in the middle but towards the right where less deep gravel gathers, however in the act of self preservation there are some tight twists so rather than shock a motorist or cyclist zooming around a blind left corner I switch road sides to prevent wiping out, road rage or driver shock and run with the traffic.
No iPods on, so I can hear things too. At night I attach a flashing red knog to my left hip and run so it's closest to the traffic so it can be seen front and back and a headlamp up front on the head, I do bow my head as the car gets closer to prevent them getting blind and in return them not flashing lights and blinding me! All in non ninja clothing.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby cp123 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:02 am

Hey Lobster - you go the same way I do. and I agree with you 100%. :D


One night a week i walk on a shared recreational path with no other lights to get to my car. as i have a bike light on the back of my backpack i flick that on so i won't (hopefully) get run over from behind. I also have a greenish shade of flasher that i bung around my right wrist to let oncoming bikes/other ninjas i'm there. i've had cyclists and other peds say "wow - good idea". well, I just want to say derrr - nobody can see you if you're dressed in death black. And given I have then anyway, it doesn't cost anything. i wish more peds would do it.

Often when i'm riding I only see the glowing X files eyes of radioactive looking dogs as my only clue that someone is ahead and walking towards me.
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