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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby DavidS » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:51 am

This morning going into work.

At the corner of Southbank Boulevard and StKilda Rd a cyclist goes around on the right of all the cars to get in front of everyone. He takes off pretty quick but there are a couple of cyclists on roadies who would have easily caught him if they weren't stuck behind me (I'm not real slow but not as fast as them). So, first off he goes to the front when everyone else lines up at a complex intersection where there are 2 lanes of cars turning left so we all have to line up single file between car lanes. Shoaling there is very inconsiderate and increases the danger for all of us.

Next we get to Princes Bridge. Same cyclist goes on to the "shared path" on the bridge (I use inverted commas because it looks like a footpath and barely anyone notices it is technically a shared path). Now, I wouldn't blame anyone for using this shared path as the bike lane over Princes Bridge is extremely narrow. Anyway, the shared path over the bridge has a line down the middle to delineate the cyclists' lane and the pedestrians' lane. Given that most cyclists stay on the road and the amount of pedestrian traffic is very large especially at peak hour, the line is ignored. Said cyclist rides up the shared path, going way too fast for the shared path, runs right up behind a pedestrian who is old and walking slowly (technically in the cycling lane) and gives the pedestrian a loud beep with his horn. All the while he could have just gone around the pedestrian as there was plenty of room, in other words, he did this on purpose.

Lastly, said cyclist appears behind me waiting at the pedestrian lights where Batman Ave used to be. Lights go green we all take off. The second he has a tiny bit of space he tries to get past me and in the process attempts to cut me off as he heads for the rear end of a car. Since I just proceed at my usual speed he ends up having to brake heavily and go behind me.

I'd just like to thank this d***head for alienating countless cyclists, drivers and pedestrians all in the space of 5 minutes.

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby human909 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:36 am

DavidS wrote:At the corner of Southbank Boulevard and StKilda Rd a cyclist goes around on the right of all the cars to get in front of everyone. He takes off pretty quick but there are a couple of cyclists on roadies who would have easily caught him if they weren't stuck behind me (I'm not real slow but not as fast as them). So, first off he goes to the front when everyone else lines up at a complex intersection where there are 2 lanes of cars turning left so we all have to line up single file between car lanes. Shoaling there is very inconsiderate and increases the danger for all of us.

Sorry, I'm confused. What is your objection here?
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jules21 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:56 am

if you were the rider who almost hit me head on this morning on the capital city trail near dight's falls, sir, please take a moment to sit back and think about your riding and more specifically, your approach to riding safely. flying around a blind bend so fast that you had to drift onto the wrong side of the path, then desperately locking your rear brakes up with arms and legs flailing about, i must say i was impressed you didn't crash (into me).

now, i dare say you learned your lesson, but the thing is - i've noticed that a lot of riders do exactly the same thing. in fact, the rider ahead of you did. your problem was that i/you arrived at the wrong moment. i knew this day was coming and ring my bell, keep a modest speed, but really - i can't do much when someone flies around at that speed. so for everyone who rides that path, please take it easy around that corner.

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby herzog » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:37 am

Sorry, I'm confused. What is your objection here?


Shoaling by the sounds of it.

Must say I'm not a huge fan either.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby human909 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:36 pm

herzog wrote:
Sorry, I'm confused. What is your objection here?


Shoaling by the sounds of it.

Must say I'm not a huge fan either.


It sounded more like a cyclist legally overtaking cars on the right hand side while DavidS and others hide between lanes of cars turning left.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby DavidS » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:44 pm

Yes, my problem is the shoaling. I see this so often on StKilda Rd, slow cyclists going to the front. Normally it is just inconsiderate, at the corner of Southbank Boulevard and StKilda Rd going North it can be dangerous. Now, he may have taken off fast but he didn't actually go that fast when he was cruising. I mainly included that section as it was an example of selfishness and only caring about his own ride of which we saw a lot more later. More of the beginning of a pattern than something irritating on its own - if he only did this I wouldn't have commented. I would add that it was particularly tight there yesterday, normally the faster bikes would have got past me before we hit a line of cars and no space but yesterday was a bit more crowded. All the other faster bikes had no problem sitting behind me for a couple of hundred metres, and the slower bikes were holding up other people (I'm usually somewhere in the middle). The point mainly was that this was the start of his actions which showed he was completely selfish, didn't care for any other road user and in the process he gives us all a bad name.

Human, most cyclists there (and there are often 10-15 bikes at each set of lights at peak hour) sit in between the 2 lanes turning left and the one going straight ahead. Also there is a left arrow and the vast majority of cars, and a fair few of the bikes, have no idea of the light sequence. It is a very congested piece of road and bikes zooming around to the right of cars makes it more dangerous. And for what? So he can save 10 seconds before we get to Princes Bridge where he decides to deliberately harasses pedestrians? We often criticise cars for doing stupid things to save tiny amounts of time, well this cyclist was doing just that. You may also have noticed that by the time we got to Batman Ave he was behind me again, didn't actually save him any time.

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Lazyweek » Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:28 pm

Busy shared paths, what a shocker. Learnt my lession today, avoid them. Nice to cruise along at 5-20 km/hr but anthing more.... not so sure. I had it all today, absent minded peds, children running around, a dog on a loooong leash.....
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby KonaCommuter » Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:08 pm

jules21 wrote:if you were the rider who almost hit me head on this morning on the capital city trail near dight's falls, sir, please take a moment to sit back and think about your riding and more specifically, your approach to riding safely. flying around a blind bend so fast that you had to drift onto the wrong side of the path, then desperately locking your rear brakes up with arms and legs flailing about, i must say i was impressed you didn't crash (into me).

now, i dare say you learned your lesson, but the thing is - i've noticed that a lot of riders do exactly the same thing. in fact, the rider ahead of you did. your problem was that i/you arrived at the wrong moment. i knew this day was coming and ring my bell, keep a modest speed, but really - i can't do much when someone flies around at that speed. so for everyone who rides that path, please take it easy around that corner.



And if you visit Brisbane and ride in such a reckless manner and collect me expect that I'll be seeking compensation. Better have the sense to take photo's because if you don't then you'll be paying for the extensive damage to a TDF quality bike :wink:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Ross » Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:35 pm

Lazyweek wrote:Busy shared paths, what a shocker. Learnt my lession today, avoid them. Nice to cruise along at 5-20 km/hr but anthing more.... not so sure. I had it all today, absent minded peds, children running around, a dog on a loooong leash.....


That's why I try not to ride on them, most of the time it's safer sharing the road with cars.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Peacewise » Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:25 pm

Mount barker Linear path. A couple of large peds doing their walk, but so wide they are they take up the entire pathway. You know what i mean they walk with a gap on their left that i cant squeeze thru, a gap between them i cant squeeze thru and a gap on the right i can barely get thru. I choose right, but she is a wobbly walker, and closes that gap! Ok ok, brake to barely faster than a walk, "excuse me" i say, "showtime" she says. No harm done.

Whats up with the 5ish year old girl who saw me and steered her bike directly at me? Oh well, kids r strange, i am prepared for their bizarre behaviour.

Couple walking their dog, i give a warning "hello", from twenty metres back and aim myself to overtake on the right... Surprise surprise, man goes left, woman goes right, dog is centre and gets a hard lead pull to come right. I brake, drop down 5 gears and go between them at 10 kph, Meh whatever.

Im riding slow n steady, safe, straight and predictable, ready and willing to brake always indeed i slow down as a matter of course thats what we should do, thats safe. Glad i hold the attitude that peds are completely stupid and will tend to do whatever is the most dangerous, so am prepared for it.

How about some ped training, walk to the left, walk in a straight line. Yeh i know i know, no laws requiring that, whatever. Dont be responisble for your own safety.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Percrime » Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:41 pm

Peacewise wrote:Whats up with the 5ish year old girl who saw me and steered her bike directly at me? Oh well, kids r strange, i am prepared for their bizarre behaviour.


Target fixation. Well known effect.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Peacewise » Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:34 pm

Thx for the confirmation, i only thought of that much later...
Now i must be cautious of those who do see me as much as those who dont see me. Do that already of course but i am just cracking up lol at it all.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby maestro » Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:29 pm

Percrime wrote:
Peacewise wrote:Whats up with the 5ish year old girl who saw me and steered her bike directly at me? Oh well, kids r strange, i am prepared for their bizarre behaviour.


Target fixation. Well known effect.


Just spent a few hours earlier today with a 3yo and a 6yo, the 6yo has just stopped using training wheels and is rather wobbly. She shows *exactly* the effect you saw in that she will always head directly for anything that grabs her attention. I spent my whole time trying to encourage her to ride straight, and apologising to all and sundry. Everyone we came across (peds and cyclists) were all very nice about it, most smiled or offered words of encouragement. Some of the more experienced (or maybe more competitive) riders gave us a wide berth by riding on the grass.

We were definitely below average as far as speed and predictability go, but we were far from the worst. Everyone was really nice about it and that went a long way towards us all enjoying the ride.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Percrime » Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:43 pm

Yes we overcome target fixation with training. Two wheeled vehicles will always tend to go where the operator looks. Not just two wheeled vehicles but the effect is absolutely stronger with two wheeled vehicles and with aircraft. If you know it happens you can train to avoid/use the effect. Its really obvious when a rider has no real directional control

Training wheels are the spawn of satan. They teach you to lean the wrong way in corners. So as not to dig the wheel in and crash. When you take them away the training is difficult Often involves more crashes. Run bikes are entirely brilliant. Training wheels are entirely not.

Yes someone will point out that their kids learned fine with training wheels. And I learned to drive on a car with a crash first gear. Its all doable.. just not brilliant.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby maestro » Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:12 pm

Percrime wrote:Yes we overcome target fixation with training. Two wheeled vehicles will always tend to go where the operator looks. Not just two wheeled vehicles but the effect is absolutely stronger with two wheeled vehicles and with aircraft. If you know it happens you can train to avoid/use the effect. Its really obvious when a rider has no real directional control

Training wheels are the spawn of satan. They teach you to lean the wrong way in corners. So as not to dig the wheel in and crash. When you take them away the training is difficult Often involves more crashes. Run bikes are entirely brilliant. Training wheels are entirely not.

Yes someone will point out that their kids learned fine with training wheels. And I learned to drive on a car with a crash first gear. Its all doable.. just not brilliant.


Yes, there was a thread around here somewhere on teaching kids to ride, one of the suggestions was to take the training wheels and pedals off a bike and let them roll it down the hill to work on the balance. I tried that a few times and now the 6yo can ride (although a bit wobbly). I have tried with the 3yo and it is also promising (although slower due to the maturity).

The training wheels have helped to build up their leg strength so that they are confident pedaling while they work on their balance, I think a combination has worked fairly well for me. At least the kids are enjoying it!
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Percrime » Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:50 pm

Yes its all doable. But us trackies like to get the balance right and then work on the leg strength.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby g-boaf » Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:48 am

maestro wrote:
Percrime wrote:
Peacewise wrote:Whats up with the 5ish year old girl who saw me and steered her bike directly at me? Oh well, kids r strange, i am prepared for their bizarre behaviour.


Target fixation. Well known effect.


Just spent a few hours earlier today with a 3yo and a 6yo, the 6yo has just stopped using training wheels and is rather wobbly. She shows *exactly* the effect you saw in that she will always head directly for anything that grabs her attention. I spent my whole time trying to encourage her to ride straight, and apologising to all and sundry. Everyone we came across (peds and cyclists) were all very nice about it, most smiled or offered words of encouragement. Some of the more experienced (or maybe more competitive) riders gave us a wide berth by riding on the grass.

We were definitely below average as far as speed and predictability go, but we were far from the worst. Everyone was really nice about it and that went a long way towards us all enjoying the ride.


I do the same when I see young kids out on the bike. I give them a wide berth by going on the grass if I can, and if they have an off, I stop and ask if they are okay, lots of encouragement and off I go. Eventually the young kids will hopefully be the commuter cyclists of tomorrow and any encouragement is a good thing.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Mulger bill » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:42 pm

Not sure how these fit in, you be the judge...

Backstreet near the Haymarket roundabout Sunday arvo, bloke on a polo bike hammering away at about a 160 cadence and going nowhere fast. I'm guessing his streeter was OOS 'cos he had a very new looking wheel hanging off his back. The bit that maybe fitted hiom into the thread was the salmoning...

Dudley St, not far from Vic Market. We spy one of them jellybeanish Ficksehs trundling along. The bullhorns had been reversed so that the extensions were pointing toward the rider. :?
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jules21 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:51 pm

Mulger bill wrote:Dudley St, not far from Vic Market. We spy one of them jellybeanish Ficksehs trundling along. The bullhorns had been reversed so that the extensions were pointing toward the rider. :?

maybe he just had the handlebars turned around - possible if no front brake fitted? :D
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby g-boaf » Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:50 pm

Oh far out!!! :evil: Three lots this afternoon with dogs, one couple with two dogs, NONE of them on a leash!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

For one of them I had to swerve off onto the grass and then nearly went over trying to get back on the pavement again thanks to that person and the dog that decided to run at me. :roll:

Absolutely dangerous! :roll:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Mulger bill » Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:58 pm

jules21 wrote:
Mulger bill wrote:Dudley St, not far from Vic Market. We spy one of them jellybeanish Ficksehs trundling along. The bullhorns had been reversed so that the extensions were pointing toward the rider. :?

maybe he just had the handlebars turned around - possible if no front brake fitted? :D


You going hipstah on us Jules? :P

Nup, he wasn't mid barspin, the stem was in the right place and he had a TT type brake lever on the RHS.

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jules21 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:01 pm

g-boaf wrote:For one of them I had to swerve off onto the grass and then nearly went over trying to get back on the pavement again thanks to that person and the dog that decided to run at me. :roll:

my strategy is now to swerve at the owner, when they are picking themselves up off the ground after leaping out of the way you can ask them "did you see that dog?!" :mrgreen:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby marinmomma » Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:11 pm

Dumb cyclist today...me, heading out with a light that wasn't charged properly and died 1/4 of the way into my ride at 5am :oops:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby g-boaf » Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:18 pm

jules21 wrote:
g-boaf wrote:For one of them I had to swerve off onto the grass and then nearly went over trying to get back on the pavement again thanks to that person and the dog that decided to run at me. :roll:

my strategy is now to swerve at the owner, when they are picking themselves up off the ground after leaping out of the way you can ask them "did you see that dog?!" :mrgreen:


Next time I'll get off the bike and walk past them.

I note that the Canal reserve is not a off-leash dog area:
http://www.holroyd.nsw.gov.au/environme ... uestions/7

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Baalzamon » Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:31 pm

marinmomma wrote:Dumb cyclist today...me, heading out with a light that wasn't charged properly and died 1/4 of the way into my ride at 5am :oops:

You need a dynamo setup :wink:
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