Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:45 pm
andrew - i look at guys like that and am thankful they're on a bike!
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Well done to miss him. He over estimated his ability to pass that rider uphill.The rider he was passing didn't seem to be on the left far enough either, right at the beginning of his manoeuvre.Aushiker wrote:
Andrew
Didn't you (almost) meet his brother in a back street a week or so back?jules21 wrote:andrew - i look at guys like that and am thankful they're on a bike!
This cyclist was claiming the lane while riding the wrong way in traffic ???AKO wrote:I realise there are situations where claiming the lane is required for safety, but not a good idea when salmoning.
that is just scary. i think that's when I wouldn't go around. it's where I'd stopil padrone wrote:This cyclist was claiming the lane while riding the wrong way in traffic ???AKO wrote:I realise there are situations where claiming the lane is required for safety, but not a good idea when salmoning.
I'm amazed you even had a chance to avoid him!
Was there a bend or anything that he could have misjudged at speed and ended up crossing the centre line? Crazy!!AKO wrote:Yep, had about a nano second to react. My speed of 60ks combined with an estimated 40ks for him (long gradual down hill run combined with a STRONG tailwind). And then to be abused like it was my fault.
Temporary citizenil padrone wrote:Insane!!
Guy must have been on drugs...... or somehow intellectually not right
That is actually illegal. If someone is overtaking on a single lane each way dual carriageway and they need to jump back onto the correct side of the road, you're not allowed to shut 'em out. If it's you doing the overtake, you're not allowed to cause a collision by just barging in but they do need to make room for you.InTheWoods wrote:It probably looked silly, I think the fact they weren't letting me in indicated annoyance.jasonc wrote:that's not silly. noone cut off, no one held up. no laws brokenInTheWoods wrote: Me this morning. Two slower cyclists in bike lane in front of me, enter road lane to overtake, get not really even entirely past the first and the light in front goes red. The other rider didn't make room (not that they are required to) so I had to hang in the road lane and wait for her to go past before dropping back into the bike lane. Probably should have put in more of an effort beforehand but don't normally get that light so thought I'd casually make my way past.
not at all. T intersection 2 kilometres up the road. Apart from that just a straight hilly stretch of road. This morning dropping the kids off to school I realised what may have happened. As mentioned the road was quite narrow but widens considerably about 50 metres past yesterday's incident. A salmon cyclist would have ample room to practice his craft until the road narrows, pushing him into the oncoming traffic. Having said that, he had a clear line of sight for maybe 200 metres or more till the road narrowed for him.InTheWoods wrote:Was there a bend or anything that he could have misjudged at speed and ended up crossing the centre line? Crazy!!AKO wrote:Yep, had about a nano second to react. My speed of 60ks combined with an estimated 40ks for him (long gradual down hill run combined with a STRONG tailwind). And then to be abused like it was my fault.
Without arguing against the wisdom of avoiding an accident, you are wrong, at least in WA.trailgumby wrote:That is actually illegal. If someone is overtaking on a single lane each way dual carriageway and they need to jump back onto the correct side of the road, you're not allowed to shut 'em out. If it's you doing the overtake, you're not allowed to cause a collision by just barging in but they do need to make room for you.
redned wrote:Without arguing against the wisdom of avoiding an accident, you are wrong, at least in WA.trailgumby wrote:That is actually illegal. If someone is overtaking on a single lane each way dual carriageway and they need to jump back onto the correct side of the road, you're not allowed to shut 'em out. If it's you doing the overtake, you're not allowed to cause a collision by just barging in but they do need to make room for you.
124. Keeping a safe distance when overtaking
A driver overtaking a vehicle —
(a) shall pass the vehicle at a sufficient distance to avoid a collision with that vehicle or to avoid obstructing the path of that vehicle; and
(b) shall not return to the marked lane or line of traffic where the vehicle is travelling until the driver is a sufficient distance past that vehicle to avoid a collision with that vehicle or to avoid obstructing the path of that vehicle.
145 Driver being overtaken not to increase speed
If a driver is overtaking another driver on a two-way road by crossing a dividing line, or crossing to the right of the centre of the road, the other driver must not increase the speed at which the driver is driving until the first driver:
(a) has passed the other driver, and
(b) has returned to the marked lane or line of traffic where the other driver is driving, and
(c) is a sufficient distance in front of the other driver to avoid a collision.
Edit: on reading the posts involved, I don't believe those being overtaken have any duty to 'let you in' as such. It's the overtaker's responsibility to ensure they do it safely and legally (and have enough room to make the move). If you can't make the overtaking move then you must drop back otherwise you'd be obstructing the path of the vehicle being overtaken if you try to barge in.144 Keeping a safe distance when overtaking
A driver overtaking a vehicle:
(a) must pass the vehicle at a sufficient distance to avoid a collision with the vehicle or obstructing the path of the vehicle, and
(b) must not return to the marked lane or line of traffic where the vehicle is travelling until the driver is a sufficient distance past the vehicle to avoid a collision with the vehicle or obstructing the path of the vehicle.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.
This reminds me of something...il padrone wrote:not overtaking on a bridge
yeah, this is the problem - drivers are often just as likely to be dangerous when they're trying to be safe. recognition of this is why you can get away with just about anything when behind the wheel - just plead incompetence.hannos wrote:This is true Jules but... (/don devil's advocate hat)
Overtaking car starts to brake to drop back. Car being passed starts to brake to let overtaker in.
End result, both cars are still side-by-side and the on-coming vehicle is getting closer...
I always think of bridges like this one in this regardwellington_street wrote:...and the award for complete incompetence goes to the Shire of Serpentine-Jarrahdale in southern Perth for this beauty. Sign saying you can't overtake, line markings specifically saying you can.
To add to the hilarity they have also installed "Single Lane Slow Point" warning signs on both approaches to this bridge since the GSV images were taken. The scene is otherwise unmodified.
If roads authorities can't even get basic stuff like this right, how are drivers meant to?
no. you must comply with all road rules. the broken line markings do not prohibit overtaking, but the sign does. the markings do not and never will give you explicit permission to overtake.wellington_street wrote:...and the award for complete incompetence goes to the Shire of Serpentine-Jarrahdale in southern Perth for this beauty. Sign saying you can't overtake, line markings specifically saying you can.