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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Lukeyboy » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:30 pm

il padrone wrote:Hmm..... but everybody keeps telling me bike paths are so safe compared to riding the road :? :roll: :lol:


Especially when going around that corner in the pouring rain only to come across the "very grippy" painted distance markers on the ground right on your line.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Hergest » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:33 pm

il padrone wrote:Ouch!! :shock:

Not a good start to your day.

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby il padrone » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:45 pm

Ohh, nooooooo.........

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Ranga Tang » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:48 pm

I was on a shared path years ago ( bad youth years), wasn't even dedicated as a shared path but most people behaved fairly well.

I was on roller blades, and cutting a fairly straight path down a slight incline, when a bike hero came past me at light speed, misjudged, and clipped my shoulder. No warning, no bell, call, anything.

Well....down I went and so did he, abusing the crapper out of me. As if it was my fault. If he called out prior, I would have simply moved off the track.

It's amazing what roller blade wheels do to the spokes of a racing bike though when you jump on them.......
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby g-boaf » Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:59 pm

Lady pedestrian this afternoon on the phone, dawdling along on the wrong side of the path (crossing a bridge). Cyclist on flat bar bike coming pretty slowly behind her (opposite direction to me), she suddenly runs to the correct side of the path in a panic, instead of staying safely where she was. I slowed right down almost to a stop from a distance since I could see what might have happened. Absolutely silly.

Exchanged pleasantries with the other rider who probably knew exactly why I was going so slowly.

As I went past the pedestrian, I mentioned to her very politely and gently that she might stay on the left side of the path for the better safety of us all. Result? Abuse from the pedestrian. :roll: I'll take that instead of one running into me.

Ranga Tang wrote: If he called out prior, I would have simply moved off the track.


I wish everyone behaved so predictably. :) A lot of people do, the runners are all pretty good in my area. See the same people a lot of days, they all seem pretty cool.

il padrone wrote:Hmm..... but everybody keeps telling me bike paths are so safe compared to riding the road :? :roll: :lol:


I have an idea for an experiment, shall we use you in it? We'll see which does more damage, a car or a pedestrian. :roll:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby outnabike » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:15 am

Ranga Tang wrote:I was on a shared path years ago ( bad youth years), wasn't even dedicated as a shared path but most people behaved fairly well.

I was on roller blades, and cutting a fairly straight path down a slight incline, when a bike hero came past me at light speed, misjudged, and clipped my shoulder. No warning, no bell, call, anything.

Well....down I went and so did he, abusing the crapper out of me. As if it was my fault. If he called out prior, I would have simply moved off the track.

It's amazing what roller blade wheels do to the spokes of a racing bike though when you jump on them.......


All things are subjective all right, and speed of impact always feels fast. But accidents do happen. I suggest that if I yelled to a skate boarder and he moved over or stepped off his board that it would be a first. Especially in their (bad youth Years) which most seem to be in, that I come across. The reverse placed cap is a sure sign. :D
The only way I could see a bloke jumping on my wheels with a skateboard and wilfully damaging my bike is if I was totally incapacitated, the same as any road accident. To display the amount of manoeuvrability you did, indicates you were not hurt or disabled.
From my experiences in bikes hitting peds or mobile unpredictables, the cyclist seem to get the worst impact. I don't want to judge but I can not applaud your actions here.
Seems to me, the first thing to do at the scene of an accident is to render assistance. That cyclist may have been more hurt than at first thought and you are busting up his means of maybe getting home to attend an injury.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby il padrone » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:53 am

g-boaf wrote:
il padrone wrote:Hmm..... but everybody keeps telling me bike paths are so safe compared to riding the road :? :roll: :lol:


I have an idea for an experiment, shall we use you in it? We'll see which does more damage, a car or a pedestrian. :roll:

It all depends on what type of shared path, and they skill and techniques used on the road. With the typical Australian shared path with "movable bollards", the ever-present "wacky racers" and the plethora of blind corners and uncontrolled road crossings, I'm much happier with my personal skills and the much more predictable road environment.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Percrime » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:34 am

I well remember my near miss last year with a oncoming Camry on a shared path that I defy anyone to have any expectations on meeting a car on. In fact I defy the average driver to even fit even someone else's stolen camry on. And a mate still tells the story of meetig one of the early 60,s tiny 2 seater Hondas on the suspended under the freeway section of Gardiners Creek trail. WHo on earth thinks you are safe from cars on shared paths?
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Percrime » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:35 am

I well remember my near miss last year with a oncoming Camry on a shared path that I defy anyone to have any expectations on meeting a car on. In fact I defy the average driver to even fit even someone else's stolen camry on. And a mate still tells the story of meetig one of the early 60,s tiny 2 seater Hondas on the suspended under the freeway section of Gardiners Creek trail. WHo on earth thinks you are safe from cars on shared paths?
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jasonc » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:04 am

workmate was driving to work this morning. driving down the road beside work and a cyclist in front of him did a U-turn. It was close enough for my workmate to give him a whack on the behind.

give way to traffic. :roll:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Lukeyboy » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:34 am

I remember my near hit head on with a Brisbane City Council truck driving the wrong way around the back section of the Nundah crit circuit while doing "45kph". I shat bricks. The driver shat bricks. The passenger shat bricks. A few days later the tall grass along the sides were cut followed a week later with the instalation of drainage ditches and wider areas of short cut grass surrounding the track :P
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Summernight » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:04 pm

I thought this was a dumb thing to do by the cyclist, especially during morning peak hour, although I know some people have different opinions to me about going through red lights and left hand turns. From where I was sitting on my bike waiting for the light to change he passed me very quickly.

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby outnabike » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:00 pm

Summernight wrote:I thought this was a dumb thing to do by the cyclist, especially during morning peak hour, although I know some people have different opinions to me about going through red lights and left hand turns. From where I was sitting on my bike waiting for the light to change he passed me very quickly.




Hi Summernight, a well shot clip,
I always stop, but I can understand the desire to just keep on going. I am not in the hurry some commuters are and not as sprightly either, so that might make a difference :D Some countries do allow that move based on nouse and so I can see both sides of the coin. It would be nice to have it accepted for cyclists in ozz.
It would prevent good riders being labelled as law breakers.
We have virtually identical cases with out red lights at give way signs and those left turn, side cut in spots if no oncoming traffic.(not well written)
It just seems that some laws are designed against practical thinking and create evil doers where no problems exist.
I used to say to my blokes "nothings a problem unless you make it one" All things being equal the government has not seen the obvious here.
Just my thoughts and no intention to start a controversy.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby il padrone » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:55 pm

outnabike wrote:Some countries do allow that move based on nouse and so I can see both sides of the coin. It would be nice to have it accepted for cyclists in ozz.
It would prevent good riders being labelled as law breakers.

Sorry, fail there.

I do not believe this sort of "left-turn on red" would be accepted in those US states that have the law. First requirement is that you do it when clear, giving way to any cross-traffic. This fool would have been barely aware of any traffic, much less able to stop. He was flying on a wing and a prayer. I can see some basis for such a law to apply, but if this is how people will do it, I withdraw my support, full stop.

I do think the US law requires riders (and drivers) to stop first, then proceed if clear.

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jasonc » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:58 pm

il padrone wrote:This fool would have been barely aware of any traffic, much less able to stop. He was flying on a wing and a prayer. I can see some basis for such a law to apply, but if this is how people will do it, I withdraw my support, full stop.


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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby bychosis » Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:52 am

I will preempt this one by saying that the has been a bit of hoo-ha in the local rag about crazy cyclists on the Fernleigh track.

Spotted a guy on a near new Repco dual susp bike going about 20kmh in the slow lane towards Warners Bay yesterday about lunchtime. No so dumb, but when there is a perfectly good cycle way within eyesight maybe not the best choice. I thought at the time maybe he's going right at the roundabout. A short time later I only just spot the same guy coming back and off his bike in the shade checking out something on the bike. He was in the slow lane again, but virtually in the wheel path with an embankment meaning there was no way to move off the road. He was not wearing light clothing either. Three other non cyclists in the car mentioned he was hard to see. A car behind changed lanes to go around him.

Maybe he didn't have a choice you say? Well it certainly looked like he rode both ways along a busy road on a slow bike without any hi-vis markings when the perfectly good cycle way from Warners Bay to Speers Pt was available for at least a portion of his journey. The four lane section of the road is not wide enough to ride unless you are riding pretty quick and have your wits about you.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby il padrone » Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:56 am

bychosis wrote:Three other non cyclists in the car mentioned he was hard to see. A car behind changed lanes to go around him.

What any overtaking driver is required by law to do. I'm not so sure why this is seen as remarkable??


bychosis wrote:Maybe he didn't have a choice you say? Well it certainly looked like he rode both ways along a busy road on a slow bike without any hi-vis markings when the perfectly good cycle way from Warners Bay to Speers Pt was available for at least a portion of his journey. The four lane section of the road is not wide enough to ride unless you are riding pretty quick and have your wits about you.

Not sure whether you re-read this to check your meaning. Now for sure it may be a busy road, but a bicycle was still a road vehicle last time I checked, and unless this is an exclusive freeway the decision to ride is entirely a personal one. Four lanes sounds like a reasonably spacious road too. You may think his choice unwise, I probably would not have stopped in such a location (if I read it correctly), however as a driver you simply need to drive appropriately and safely to deal with it. I don't like the 'colour' of some commentary I often hear that puts blame on a cyclist for simply riding along a road. Regardless of the presence of a separate bike path, the road is legally available to a cyclist, and often the more appropriate route.

Like I said, you or I may choose to do it different - doesn't make a slow-riding road rider anything "dumb".
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby outnabike » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:42 am

il padrone wrote:
outnabike wrote:Some countries do allow that move based on nouse and so I can see both sides of the coin. It would be nice to have it accepted for cyclists in ozz.
It would prevent good riders being labelled as law breakers.

Sorry, fail there.

I do not believe this sort of "left-turn on red" would be accepted in those US states that have the law. First requirement is that you do it when clear, giving way to any cross-traffic. This fool would have been barely aware of any traffic, much less able to stop. He was flying on a wing and a prayer. I can see some basis for such a law to apply, but if this is how people will do it, I withdraw my support, full stop.

I do think the US law requires riders (and drivers) to stop first, then proceed if clear.

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Thanks il padrone,
Yes I was a bit ahead of my self there, always happy to be corrected :D ,I didn't realise they demanded a full stop in those lands. Sure makes sense when you annalize the rule. The cyclist in the video would have no chance of complying.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Howzat » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:48 am

outnabike wrote:It just seems that some laws are designed against practical thinking and create evil doers where no problems exist.

Yeah, but plenty of drivers also think they should be allowed to cross red lights if they think they can make it. I'm just not sure it's a good idea to rely on driver's practical thinking skills for the entire population :roll:.

(Although I like left-turn-on-red. We have a few roads that work like this in the ACT, with dedicated left-turn lanes.)
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Summernight » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:22 am

I wouldn't have had as much of a problem with him turning left on the red if he hadn't ridden past me so quickly and from my POV he didn't check before going and turned into the middle of the side street instead of sticking nearer to the left where there is a bicycle lane and he would be less likely to T-bone any oncoming traffic.

(Okay, I lie, I would have still had a problem because it is currently illegal here... :roll: )

I certainly jumped when he went past. In a give-way sign type situation I would still slow down to a near stop and check twice before going, not rush through at the cyclist's speed (although in my video I do think I see the tail end of a head check by him prior to going through the light).

I see drivers doing this speedy give way thing all the time, including a truck driver this morning on a side street. If I had been 20 metres further up the road (in my car) it may have necessitated braking because to me he didn't hesitate at the give way sign at all. As it was I had to slow down because he couldn't get up to the 40 kph speed limit before I came up behind him. Is that considered failing to give way to oncoming traffic when someone enters an intersection but a vehicle who was already on that street has to slow down because of your merge? From what I can see from a few videos on here and from my experience I would call that a failure to give way.

There was a cyclist who I had waited for just the street before when I had the give way sign. If I hadn't done my cautious double and triple check and just put my nose half into the street before checking (like lots of people do) then I could have taken out the cyclist.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jules21 » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:27 am


i know some people will say i should yield here, and as a rule i do - what i post here are the exceptions - but this lady p'd me off with her attitude. she is an idiot to think walking on the wrong side of the path and sticking her elbow out to block cyclists is some kind of community service.

for those not familiar, this is the Main Yarra Trail in melbourne - highway 1 for cyclists. she knows what she's doing.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Summernight » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:48 am

Dangerous place to be walking on the wrong side of the path...
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby wellington_street » Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:10 am

Summernight wrote:Is that considered failing to give way to oncoming traffic when someone enters an intersection but a vehicle who was already on that street has to slow down because of your merge? From what I can see from a few videos on here and from my experience I would call that a failure to give way.


Strictly yes. Essentially if the vehicle with priority has to slow down then that is failure to give way.

However, in heavy traffic where there's few gaps it takes a bit of compromise from that rule to allow people out of side streets. There's also considerations of sight distance - i.e. there's plenty of junctions where you can't see very far before you pull out, so you might pull out when its clear but vehicles appear and close in on you before you can get up to speed. It's a bit of a grey area at times.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby il padrone » Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:18 am

Also considerations of travelling speed. For example, a car has plenty of room and pulls out to travel along the road at 50kmh. Meantime another driver travelling at 60kmh right on the speed limit is coming along. At some point this driver will need to slow down - this a consequence of different vehicle speeds, not a failure to give way.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Aushiker » Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:26 am

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