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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Lukeyboy » Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:21 pm

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby redned » Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:26 pm

jules21 wrote:That's how I saw it. I note she pulled her arm back very smartly when she realised it did not have the desired result.

Pulled her arm back smartly when she saw someone was coming.
jules21 wrote:that's also how i saw it. none of us can say for 100% certain, but the most likely explanation is that it was deliberate.

It is certainly not the most likely explanation.
jules21 wrote:it's a busy shared path and i come across these people semi-regularly. they seem to think cyclists are pests and deliberately block both sides of the path

No evidence. On the wrong side, sees cyclist, moves.
jules21 wrote: the arm raise could have been coincidental - but i think that's unlikely.

My viewing of the video is that it is most likely.
jules21 wrote:i do make a conscious attempt to be considerate of pedestrians and regularly come to a halt when it's not safe to pass (while some other cyclists will just barge through), but my patience is shorter with these people.

Which people? People on shared paths? I think your patience is just short fullstop.
jules21 wrote:she doesn't flinch as i approach, despite me being in plain view of her. there is nothing to suggest her looking for 'escape'.

Sees you, heads to left to avoid bike. Nothing clearer.
jules21 wrote:just pointed out her poor judgment and lack of common sense.

Correct. Lazy ped, but not malicious ped.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jules21 » Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:28 pm

redned wrote:
jules21 wrote:it's a busy shared path and i come across these people semi-regularly. they seem to think cyclists are pests and deliberately block both sides of the path

No evidence. On the wrong side, sees cyclist, moves.

the only thing she moved was the arm that she raised after i appeared in her direct line of vision, and just as i was about to pass her.

my experience - and i have a lot of it - is that people who are taken by surprise do not act so cooly. she didn't flinch - she lowers her arm just as i pass, when she realises she's failed to intimidate me.

this is a busy path and she would have been passed by numerous cyclists within even the last couple of minutes. there are no exits/entries near there and she would have blocked numerous others, prior to my arrival. she was well aware of what she was doing.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Howzat » Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:37 pm

To my eyes, shes just walking along, chatting with her friend, not paying attention.

She sees the bike approaching at speed and just manages to get out of the way in time.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jules21 » Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:47 pm

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Lukeyboy » Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:03 pm

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Aushiker » Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:05 pm

I would give up Jules. You have more chance with that bit of swamp :) :wink:

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Aushiker » Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:07 pm

Lukeyboy wrote:Starting bid?


Two elbows and an "expert" behind a computer screen with mind reading skills? :)

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jules21 » Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:24 pm

it's all a bit of fun :)
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby outnabike » Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:34 pm

jules21 wrote:
i know some people will say i should yield here, and as a rule i do - what i post here are the exceptions - but this lady p'd me off with her attitude. she is an idiot to think walking on the wrong side of the path and sticking her elbow out to block cyclists is some kind of community service. Snipped.



I guess it's the adamant view posed here that started me thinking that maybe it was just an accident averted and not as intentional as it seemed on the part of the lady.

But then the agro comments, I reckon were not appropriate, and one obnoxious comment encouraged another. To top it off , now I am the person who can't see attempted humour?

We are talking Violence against women here and you want to score points over experts with mind reading skills?

Lukeyboy wrote: Friendly banter didn't register with this one.
..... Your first statement was not really very nice though.

Knock her out of the way next time with your elbow :evil: .......no smiley there... and we are talking about violence to a woman here.

That gave encouragement to .... yeah! or hit her in the head with my bidon, that'll learn her. :wink:
wait, you were joking weren't you?

Followed up with

by jasonc » Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:28 am
maybe some exposed metal at the end of the bars will get the word spread around............. see any smiley's there?

A new member to the forum would wonder at these statements. and then because others can't quite agree with you , follow it all up with a nice little ridicule session against other members.
Just seems like bad form.

I will leave this thread alone, I didn't intend to bag any one but just could not condone the implied ill feeling towards what is after all just two people going out for a walk. I just keep seeing my wife and daughter out there and realise the amount of hatred out there in store for them. And we complain when motorists do the wrong thing?
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jules21 » Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:40 pm

the only person who acted aggressively is the lady in the video.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Aushiker » Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:43 pm

outnabike Jules actually said ...

i know some people will say i should yield here, and as a rule i do - what i post here are the exceptions - but this lady p'd me off with her attitude. she is an idiot to think walking on the wrong side of the path and sticking her elbow out to block cyclists is some kind of community service.

for those not familiar, this is the Main Yarra Trail in melbourne - highway 1 for cyclists. she knows what she's doing.


Maybe time for a ride and little more care with the quoting don't you think?

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jasonc » Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:49 pm

outnabike wrote:A new member to the forum would wonder at these statements. and then because others can't quite agree with you , follow it all up with a nice little ridicule session against other members.
Just seems like bad form.

I will leave this thread alone, I didn't intend to bag any one but just could not condone the implied ill feeling towards what is after all just two people going out for a walk. I just keep seeing my wife and daughter out there and realise the amount of hatred out there in store for them. And we complain when motorists do the wrong thing?


my comment was inappropriate. sometimes frustrations get written down.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby roobab » Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:51 pm

Hi, Juls21 , what would you estimate your speed on that section of the MYT?
I know it is a nice downhill section and there is a tendency to 'fang' it there,
but it is one of the most dangerous sections as there is an entry/exit there as well.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Lukeyboy » Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:04 pm

outnabike wrote:
Lukeyboy wrote: Friendly banter didn't register with this one.
..... Your first statement was not really very nice though.

Knock her out of the way next time with your elbow :evil: .......no smiley there... and we are talking about violence to a woman here.


Lukeyboy wrote:Knock her out of the way next time with your elbow :twisted:


Enhance *types on keyboard*

Lukeyboy wrote:with your elbow :twisted:


Enhance *types on keyboard*

Lukeyboy wrote::twisted:


Houston..... we have a twisted smiley.

And that's the problem with online forums. One person can take what you say as a joke which can be instant/followed up by the next few posts or they can take great offence. If someone is new to the forum its the same as someone meeting other friends of your friend. They might joke around and they see it as banter while you might see it and take it another way. If they read the next few posts they could have worked out it was just banter by the way I followed up the post of "wait, you were joking weren't you?" with "............................ ummm.... maybe (multiple :lol: smilies)". Alot of the people that post in this thread always throw around banter. If someone steps out into our path by not looking someone will say either the op or someone else jokingly you should of just hit them. The same over in the the moron motorist thread. Someone gets a close shave with a passing car and banter about knocking their side mirror off/kick or punch to the side panel of the car usually folows. Just because we joke about it doesn't mean we actualy do it or condone it.

And what difference does it make that she's a woman? All you have done by repeating "violence against women" over and over is made it sound like it would have been fine if it was a guy but a woman... oooooooooooooooooooo you can't say that. What annoys me about those ads/campaigns are that it only addresses voilence to one particular group. What about violence against men? What about violence in same sex relationships? Bottom line is violence against anyone isn't good.

If you have taken offence to anything I have said then I appologise for that.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby 98octane » Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:22 pm

Lukeyboy wrote:
jules21 wrote:
i know some people will say i should yield here, and as a rule i do - what i post here are the exceptions - but this lady p'd me off with her attitude. she is an idiot to think walking on the wrong side of the path and sticking her elbow out to block cyclists is some kind of community service.

for those not familiar, this is the Main Yarra Trail in melbourne - highway 1 for cyclists. she knows what she's doing.


Knock her out of the way next time with your elbow :twisted:


Tempting, but I think some choice words would suffice. Her behaviour is made worse because that's a particularly dangerous part of the MYT - it's narrow, bumpy and fast.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby 98octane » Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:32 pm

roobab wrote:Hi, Juls21 , what would you estimate your speed on that section of the MYT?
I know it is a nice downhill section and there is a tendency to 'fang' it there,
but it is one of the most dangerous sections as there is an entry/exit there as well.


It's fine to fang it there so long as there's no/little traffic. I reckon plenty go 35-45kph through there. The entry/exit is about 100m further under the bridge.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Mulger bill » Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:50 pm

Jules, you reckon you could link to a GMap of the area in question? I reckon personal experience is no qualification for passing judgement on teh interwebz but what the hey. That section looks like fun :? :o :cry: :?: :) (I think one of them applies...)

Note that I'm not interested in ever copying your experience with that MGIF moron in the other idiots thread. The video was all anyone would need to lobby the council to ban on street parking in that area.

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jules21 » Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:03 pm

roobab wrote:Hi, Juls21 , what would you estimate your speed on that section of the MYT?
I know it is a nice downhill section and there is a tendency to 'fang' it there,
but it is one of the most dangerous sections as there is an entry/exit there as well.

about 30 km/h. it's not dangerous when you're approaching people keeping to the left, and vice versa. i had plenty of time to slow down and take evasive action, but when it became clear she was playing chicken with me, i chose not to.

in other circumstances, i won't hesitate to come to a full stop. i do it regularly, such as when there are kids around.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby trailgumby » Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:51 pm

jules21 wrote:
roobab wrote:Hi, Juls21 , what would you estimate your speed on that section of the MYT?
I know it is a nice downhill section and there is a tendency to 'fang' it there,
but it is one of the most dangerous sections as there is an entry/exit there as well.

about 30 km/h. it's not dangerous when you're approaching people keeping to the left, and vice versa. i had plenty of time to slow down and take evasive action, but when it became clear she was playing chicken with me, i chose not to.

in other circumstances, i won't hesitate to come to a full stop. i do it regularly, such as when there are kids around.

At the same time as she put the right elbow out, she was looking straight at the rider and actually stepped to her right further into the centre of the rider's path ... and then realised almost instantly that he wasn't about to be bluffed, and retreated.

Puts the probability of playing chicken well over the 50% mark for me.

I had a guy do that to me at St Leonards Park one evening, traversing the SUP behind North Sydney Oval. Walking with is wife/GF the tool looked me straight in the eye and veered directly into my path, forcing me to a stop, and had a go at me for "riding on the foot path". He backed off when I said "It's a shared path, ya goose! :x " Too dark for the Hero2, sadly.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby fingy » Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:45 pm

Mankini Man + friends with a police escort on todays ride :lol:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Aushiker » Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:52 pm

fingy wrote:Mankini Man + friends with a police escort on todays ride :lol:


Fun video and thanks for sharing, but not sure why you posted it in this thread ... cannot work out what is dumb in it; maybe not my choice of attire but each to their own. Care to expand?

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby il padrone » Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:54 pm

Not really "dumb". I'd guess they were riding to, or from, the Brisbane World Naked Bike Ride.

Or maybe they were part of it??

Assembly time is 1:30pm for body painting and media interviews, and ride takes off at 2pm down the bikepath right down to the former ABC Radio studios off Coronation Drive. We will have an after-ride drinks at the Regatta Hotel, where you can make new friends and help organise the next ride and other similar clothes free activities in Brisbane.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jules21 » Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:31 am

Mulger bill wrote:Jules, you reckon you could link to a GMap of the area in question?


shaun, it's heading west here.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Mulger bill » Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:01 pm

Thanks Jules, looks like Victoria St to Walmer and onto the trail citybound will do nicely :) Would you say it's doable on a 75 GI Fixed or should I roll the commuter?

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