The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Xenon » Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:50 pm

GeoffInBrisbane wrote:I'd love to say my pride took the worst battering, but it really really hurt. Turns out solid ground floor concrete doesn't have much give in it. The 40km back to Brisbane was not the most fun I've had on a bike (although thanks are due to my riding buddies who looked after me and did all the work). I've got a very sore wrist, two mildly bruised elbows, a sore neck and shoulder, a sore jaw(!) and a bloody big headache.


Ironically, the only time I've used my helmet was on stairs; I was walking down when my foot slipped out from under me, I managed to get a hand down to stop myself falling the rest of the way, luckily I was carrying my helmet in that hand and it stopped me from falling too far. Not a mark on the helmet and nobody saw it so not even my pride was damaged.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Lukeyboy » Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:42 pm

I do it all the time on the stairs at train stations. I don't know if its the size 47 shoes. If its the cleats. If its the DDA grip that they use. No idea why but its always train stations. I guess its my brain telling me that I should be riding those 100km back to Brisbane from the Sunshine and Gold Coasts :lol: :lol:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby high_tea » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:43 am

ColinOldnCranky wrote:
high_tea wrote:Perhaps I could have put it better: if you need to bell-ping for safety, you're doing it wrong.

No. Not wrong.

Even if doing things right, to be truly safe any system needs to assume that something can go wrong and so have second and third and more extra safeties built in.

There are plenty of times that a rider is wise to indicate their impending presence. And a bell is a fairly low-key and easy way of doing it. I trust that you are not using that argument to justify not fitting one.


Sigh. I can buy bells as a convenience. I can buy bells as a courtesy. Bells as a safety device are hopelessly inadequate. The bell had better not be the only safety device, because it's bound to fail sooner or later.

What I do or don't do with my bikes is none of your concern, as well as being beside the point.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby il padrone » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:55 am

high_tea wrote:Sigh. I can buy bells as a convenience. I can buy bells as a courtesy. Bells as a safety device are hopelessly inadequate. The bell had better not be the only safety device, because it's bound to fail sooner or later.

What I do or don't do with my bikes is none of your concern, as well as being beside the point.

Call it a convenience, call it a safety device, call it a tinkler...... whatever you think.

What it is, is a legal requirement to be there on your bike (a bell or a horn) and that may well be the concern of others.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby high_tea » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:19 am

il padrone wrote:
high_tea wrote:Sigh. I can buy bells as a convenience. I can buy bells as a courtesy. Bells as a safety device are hopelessly inadequate. The bell had better not be the only safety device, because it's bound to fail sooner or later.

What I do or don't do with my bikes is none of your concern, as well as being beside the point.

Call it a convenience, call it a safety device, call it a tinkler...... whatever you think.

What it is, is a legal requirement to be there on your bike (a bell or a horn) and that may well be the concern of others.


Police officers with nothing better to do, maybe. People on internet forums, no. But since we've sequed into legal discussion, here's something you might like to weigh in on: is a public velodrome a road-related area? My track bike has no bell and, more importantly no brakes. Am I breaking The Law?
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby twizzle » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:34 am

I'm stopped in a line of traffic this morning, waiting behind three cars as we all wait for the green light. There's a cyclist on the cross road heading towards the intersection (in t-shirt and shorts, it's only 3C, what are you thinking!!?!). The cars behind him start to slow, and I'm getting ready to go... He's about a third of the way across the intersection when we get the green light. :x

So we're all just sitting there, waiting for Mr I'm-so-important-the-red-light-doesn't-apply-to-me to clear the intersection.

I yelled out "Great move" and gave him the thumbs up. Given the vacant stare, I'm not sure if he got the sarcasm.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby GeoffInBrisbane » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:35 am

Lukeyboy wrote:I do it all the time on the stairs at train stations. I don't know if its the size 47 shoes. If its the cleats. If its the DDA grip that they use. No idea why but its always train stations. I guess its my brain telling me that I should be riding those 100km back to Brisbane from the Sunshine and Gold Coasts :lol: :lol:


Careful. I know somebody who did themselves serious mischief falling down QR steps (in his instance due to booze, not cleats).

The day after and I'm very sore. Slept badly as my neck kept seizing up, and today everything hurts. Clearly at 31 I don't bounce like I did at 17, or even 25...
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby twizzle » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:43 am

high_tea wrote:Perhaps I could have put it better: if you need to bell-ping for safety, you're doing it wrong.

I agree, lots. I only use a warning device so that I don't scare the crap out of people I'm passing, no other reason. Especially given how some cyclists feel the need to do a head check when they hear a bell/horn/call and drift in the direction they are looking, you sometimes end up with even less space than you started with.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby fatdudeonabike » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:29 am

GeoffInBrisbane wrote:Aaaand today's idiot cyclist was me, for not changing my cleats when I should have done. All the anti-slip stuff was worn away. This resulted in a spectacular stack...in the coffee shop. :lol:

Had a coffee at Cleveland Point, decided I would make use of the facilities before we left, walked out the back towards the loos. Down two steps onto the concrete floor (which sloped away from the steps slightly, just for added fun), feet slipped. Both legs went out in front of me, was fully airborne. Crashed down on my elbows and then the back of my head. A nice lady rushed to my aid and got some ice (I was somewhat groggily struggling to my feet).

I'd love to say my pride took the worst battering, but it really really hurt. Turns out solid ground floor concrete doesn't have much give in it. The 40km back to Brisbane was not the most fun I've had on a bike (although thanks are due to my riding buddies who looked after me and did all the work). I've got a very sore wrist, two mildly bruised elbows, a sore neck and shoulder, a sore jaw(!) and a bloody big headache.

Change ya cleats on time, people!


I know you're in pain man, and you probably don't think it's funny - but I did man. Thanks for sharing this story.

In a pass time as often-dangerous as ours, it's hard to believe you'd do one of the worst injuries using the pisser at the coffee shop.

I hope you feel better dude.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Percrime » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:44 am

Dangerous. :D

Oh you were talking about walking in cleats.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby GeoffInBrisbane » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:23 am

fatdudeonabike wrote:
GeoffInBrisbane wrote:Aaaand today's idiot cyclist was me, for not changing my cleats when I should have done. All the anti-slip stuff was worn away. This resulted in a spectacular stack...in the coffee shop. :lol:

Had a coffee at Cleveland Point, decided I would make use of the facilities before we left, walked out the back towards the loos. Down two steps onto the concrete floor (which sloped away from the steps slightly, just for added fun), feet slipped. Both legs went out in front of me, was fully airborne. Crashed down on my elbows and then the back of my head. A nice lady rushed to my aid and got some ice (I was somewhat groggily struggling to my feet).

I'd love to say my pride took the worst battering, but it really really hurt. Turns out solid ground floor concrete doesn't have much give in it. The 40km back to Brisbane was not the most fun I've had on a bike (although thanks are due to my riding buddies who looked after me and did all the work). I've got a very sore wrist, two mildly bruised elbows, a sore neck and shoulder, a sore jaw(!) and a bloody big headache.

Change ya cleats on time, people!


I know you're in pain man, and you probably don't think it's funny - but I did man. Thanks for sharing this story.

In a pass time as often-dangerous as ours, it's hard to believe you'd do one of the worst injuries using the pisser at the coffee shop.

I hope you feel better dude.


:lol: Thanks for putting it like that! :lol:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby il padrone » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:29 am

Mandatory helmet required for cyclists in coffee shops :lol:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby twizzle » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:34 am

GeoffInBrisbane wrote:Clearly at 31 I don't bounce like I did at 17, or even 25...


The older you get, the harder the ground is.

I had my first "off" 11 months ago, my shoulder still hurts some days.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Dez » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:51 am

On my commute this morning there was a lady riding along the road, mobile phone to ear, oblivious to the world going on around her.

This wasn't as bad as mr. mid-life crisis cruising on his bike along the winding, shadowy river path, arms folded across his chest, no helmet and gazing out at the birdlife on the water. He actually looked pretty cool. I hope his face lasted the journey in one piece.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby bychosis » Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:39 am

Riding to work in the dark this morn. Thought I was catching another rider, could see the red blinky...but when I got close I noticed it was on the front of the cap of a pedestrian. I always thought red lights were for the back, oh well...
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby VRE » Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:24 am

bychosis wrote:Riding to work in the dark this morn. Thought I was catching another rider, could see the red blinky...but when I got close I noticed it was on the front of the cap of a pedestrian. I always thought red lights were for the back, oh well...

That pedestrian doesn't belong in this thread, then. The smarter pedestrians are those who bother to use lights when using shared paths in the dark. The colour of them just isn't worth being fussed about. The vast majority of them don't bother with lights, or even with reflective patches on their clothes. I was happy to note that as I rode along the Dandenong Creek Trail in the pre-dawn last weekend on my way to Mt Dandenong, there were several joggers using headband-mounted lights.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby il padrone » Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:58 am

You've got to realise that there is no legal requirement, nor recommendation from authorities, nor need - for a person to walk about on streets or footpaths with a headlight cap or reflective clothing. Most people choose not to walk about with such garb.

If you recommend that pedestrians on shared trails must use 'headlights' for your convenience and peace of mind' (they can after all see you quite well and will avoid you), then pedestrians might quite reasonably reply there is no need for you to be on the trail - bikes are after all road vehicles.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby VRE » Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:12 am

If your above post was directed at me, Pete, then yes I do know the road safety laws and realise there is no legal requirement for pedestrians to use lights at night.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby il padrone » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:21 am

Yes, I know. Not suggesting that you didn't, just a reminder. Ultimately the obligation lies on us all as cyclists and road vehicles rather than expecting pedestrians to take what most would regard as exceptional steps. Personally if I was going to walk a bush trail at night I would take a torch, but many people walking urban paths and trails would not do this. Caps with lights or even head-torches are even more unusual to most people.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jasonc » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:24 am

VRE wrote:
bychosis wrote:Riding to work in the dark this morn. Thought I was catching another rider, could see the red blinky...but when I got close I noticed it was on the front of the cap of a pedestrian. I always thought red lights were for the back, oh well...

That pedestrian doesn't belong in this thread, then. The smarter pedestrians are those who bother to use lights when using shared paths in the dark. The colour of them just isn't worth being fussed about. The vast majority of them don't bother with lights, or even with reflective patches on their clothes. I was happy to note that as I rode along the Dandenong Creek Trail in the pre-dawn last weekend on my way to Mt Dandenong, there were several joggers using headband-mounted lights.


pedestrian with lights are great. considering they predominantly wear black. anything helps to distinguish the shadows...
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby bychosis » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:49 am

jasonc wrote:
VRE wrote:
bychosis wrote:Riding to work in the dark this morn. Thought I was catching another rider, could see the red blinky...but when I got close I noticed it was on the front of the cap of a pedestrian. I always thought red lights were for the back, oh well...

That pedestrian doesn't belong in this thread, then. The smarter pedestrians are those who bother to use lights when using shared paths in the dark. The colour of them just isn't worth being fussed about. The vast majority of them don't bother with lights, or even with reflective patches on their clothes. I was happy to note that as I rode along the Dandenong Creek Trail in the pre-dawn last weekend on my way to Mt Dandenong, there were several joggers using headband-mounted lights.


pedestrian with lights are great. considering they predominantly wear black. anything helps to distinguish the shadows...


Quite a few with reflective bits on their shoes, a couple with a little white light, the red lamp on the front just threw me a little because I was expecting a bike riding away from me and it suddenly turned into a ped walking towards me. I have no expectations for pedestrians to have any sort of light and ride accordingly, either very slow or using lots of light.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby il padrone » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:53 am

bychosis wrote: the red lamp on the front just threw me a little because I was expecting a bike riding away from me and it suddenly turned into a ped walking towards me.

Some cyclists do this, from what others have told me :shock:

Death wish!!
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jasonc » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:58 am

il padrone wrote:
bychosis wrote: the red lamp on the front just threw me a little because I was expecting a bike riding away from me and it suddenly turned into a ped walking towards me.

Some cyclists do this, from what others have told me :shock:

Death wish!!


have seen a few in brissy - normally fixie riders
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby burger » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:15 am

experience from yesterday . . . dude on a bike leaving Macquarie Street into Martin Place. If you keep using the small 'ramp' designed for wheelchairs at the pedestrian crossing lights at the speed you did, it's pretty much inevitable you WILL collect someone. I was watching you come and stepped back, reckon if I hadn't there would have been an 'interesting' interaction.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby high_tea » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:21 am

il padrone wrote:
bychosis wrote: the red lamp on the front just threw me a little because I was expecting a bike riding away from me and it suddenly turned into a ped walking towards me.

Some cyclists do this, from what others have told me :shock:

Death wish!!

I've seen them too. Confuses me no end. Dunno if it's actually dangerous, but I wish they wouldn't do it.
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