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Postby find_bruce » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:32 pm

We are in furious agreement zero
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Postby twizzle » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:48 pm

Driver would have to be drunk or blind to miss the flouro jacket. They are extremely eye-catching.


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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby PB12IN » Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:26 pm

Riding along the broadwater shared paths in southport with my 3 year old on her bike, my 2 year old on her trike and my brother in law (with downs) on him BMX, old lady walking her rat, sorry I have trouble calling things like that dogs, with no leash. Stupid rat runs in front of both me 3 year old and Brother in law, neither of which has the greatest control of their bikes (they can stay up right but both wobble and swerve slightly) they both manage to avoid rat, my brother in law fell off doing so, I'm coming up behind and it runs infront of me too (I'm not stoppng I want to get to BIL). Old lady says to me, oh he always runs in front of bikes. I managed not to go off as I had my kids with me and they didn't need to see that.

I can't imagine how bad it would have been if either daughter of BIL had hit it. BIL was in the car once when I hit a bird and he had nightmares for days.

Made me very angry, old women with dogs are the only thing that has ever caused me problems on shared paths.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Percrime » Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:44 pm

THe correct response is. "OK I,ll be back in a few minutes. If he runs in front of me again it will be the very last time" The trick is, you have to mean it
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby K2 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:54 am

Percrime wrote:THe correct response is. "OK I,ll be back in a few minutes. If he runs in front of me again it will be the very last time" The trick is, you have to mean it


Assuming you mean that you have to convey the threat with conviction rather than actually intending to punish the animal for the owner's stupidity, I'd counter with - unfortunately, that isn't always enough...

During the floods up here I was out taking some photos. At a local park I dismounted about 20m away from a lady on a mobile who had four rats milling about her. As I was leaning the bike up against a car barrier I felt one of the rats bounce off my leg. A glance down revealed it had tried to devour me, although because they are not blessed with massive brains, this one had attempted to do so vertically! [Your regular dog will turn its head sideways when going for a leg....all the better to get a good grip]. In effect it pretty much just bumped into me with its front teeth leaving only a couple of small scratches and I didn't think too much about it. I've had worse wounds from road debris flicking up off the front wheel.

After taking some shots I rode round to the other side of the park, and had the same rat chase me for about 50m before running out of steam. I'd just started framing a shot when phone lady rounds the corner with her quartet of rats leading the way. Same rat makes a beeline for me and proceeds to repeatedly run at my legs. I managed to dissuade it by turning to face it each time it ran at me but was quickly loosing patience.

So, as the lady was just about passing I walked over to the roadside and politely [yes, I even managed a "please"] asked her to restrain her charges. She seemed annoyed about having to terminate her phone call, so when she'd finished I repeated my request. Her response was to question my manhood based on the fact that her rats were small!!! I then informed her I'd already been bitten by one, that it was still repeatedly trying to have another go, and again asked that she do something about it.

Now at this point I expect a normal person would at least internally have registered the bite comment and be weighing up the possible serious consequences that could ensue for both herself and her animals. Apparently my expectations were too high as she continued whittering on about small dogs and big men, so with all the intent I imagine you referred to, I explained that if she was unwilling to restrain them, the next time it ran at me it would become the recipient of a kick... which still didn't stop her inane onetrackedness.

Of course I love animals as much as the next person and would only resort to violence towards them if I [or someone else] was in any real danger, so when it made its next attack I waited until it thought I wasn't going to respond to lure it closer before stomping on the ground and in my best death metal grunty voice yelled at it with a very impolite instruction to go away. It did!

Turns out for all the good it'll do you, sometimes you're better off taking up the case directly with the little one with the tiny brain. [Er, that'd be the hairy little one with the tiny brain....just in case you're dealing with someone of restricted height....or the nonbipedal little hairy one with the tiny brain if you're dealing with a hirsute person who finds gravity a bit of a challenge...or....I give up :) ].

And to finish off....despite her downright refusal to restrain her animals when requested and in a situation were it was obvious to even the most stupid that it was necessary, another 50m on down the road she did manage to get them all on leashes. Apparently even she recognized the danger they would be in if they proceeded to behave in a similar fashion towards the couple walking the monster rottweiler on a very tight leash towards her.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby cp123 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:55 pm

Almost a 3 way pile up last night. :shock: Canberra, southbound on share path around Swinger Hill (from tunnell under Hindmarsh Drive towards the tunnel at Melrose High School).

I'm tootling along at a comfortable pace, but not fanging - it's approximately 6.30 so dark. That's a fairly major path during commuting hours and there are lots of people and dogs, office people going home etc. I'd caught and passed a couple of people and some faster people had caught and passed me. Another oncoming chap heading towards us and i'm watching his light get closer and closer - while i'm staring at the left hand side of the ground to stay on the path (I sometimes find it a bit hard to see with strong oncoming lights). anyway, unbeknownst to me, there must've been a fast passer zooming up behind me. Usually I can hear them, or see their lights bouncing on my right hand side. I seriously saw or heard nothing. Oncoming man and I are about to pass (he in his lane and me in mine). The passer person decides right then and there that he wanted to pass me. He passed me within a bee's whisker of my right hand side just as oncoming man and i met. (ie it was a 3 way across the track). Dunno if it was the unexpectedness, or the closeness, or both, but I let out a JOIPERS!!!! and Mr Oncoming yells FAAAARRRRK or ARRRRRRGH or something that sounded equally similar. I don't think he saw that happening either, or maybe assumed it that I was only 1 oncoming bike.

If you were Mr Passer, then please grow a brain. Maybe you have balls of steel. But you probably have no idea how close you were to taking both Mr Oncoming and me out of the game. Just not worth it! :evil:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Ross » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:25 pm

cp123 wrote:If you were Mr Passer, then please grow a brain. Maybe you have balls of steel. But you probably have no idea how close you were to taking both Mr Oncoming and me out of the game. Just not worth it! :evil:


Balls of steel but the brain of a grass seed. Some(a lot)times the commuter cyclists are more dangerous and stupid than the traffic. A lot of them think they're in the TDF while on their commute on shared paths instead of riding at a steady pace and to the conditions.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby trailgumby » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:52 pm

Percrime wrote:THe correct response is. "OK I,ll be back in a few minutes. If he runs in front of me again it will be the very last time" The trick is, you have to mean it


Option two:
Me: "Please control your dog!"
Owner: "It's an off-leash area. :P "
Me: "And this is a shared path. Do you know how much damage my bike will suffer if I run over your dog?"
Owner: "Huh?! No?"
Me: "Absolutely none. :D "

Notes: Helps to be on a mountain bike with fat tyres
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby bychosis » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:56 pm

"Thanks" to the muppet pedstrian along the share path yesterday that didn't have their aging mange with legs on a lead. It was so far away I couldn't tell who it belonged to (I assume it was mr-white-plug-ears) and had to stop behind it because it ran up the middle of the path for 20-30m towards some other dogs on leads. Didn't know which way the mutt was going to go, didn't want to run it over (and cause myself damage) so I had to sit behind.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jules21 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:01 pm

trailgumby wrote:
Percrime wrote:THe correct response is. "OK I,ll be back in a few minutes. If he runs in front of me again it will be the very last time" The trick is, you have to mean it


Option two:
Me: "Please control your dog!"
Owner: "It's an off-leash area. :P "
Me: "Do you know how much damage my bike will suffer if I run over your dog?"
Owner: "Huh?! No?"
Me: "Absolutely none. :D "

Notes: Helps to be on a mountain bike with fat tyres

i tell the owners off like pets "naughty owners! your dog should be on a leash" usually they're already looking sheepishly at the ground to avoid eye contact so it add to the effect
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Percrime » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:05 pm

Yes. I think the original poster is much nicer than !. He might love animals as much as the next bloke but as far as I am concerned any animal posing a threat is in danger of getting hurt. 2 or 4 legged. I am about as concerned for the fact that it comes down to the leader of the pack as the grunt on the DMZ will be if the NK's pour over the border. Yes it would be nice to be able to take out the glorious leader and if he is silly enough to have a go that might have to happen.. but I,ll be dealing with the immediate threat first. And in fact legally thats all you are allowed to do. Use reasonable force in defence of your person. To put it bluntly anything chewing on me needs my permission or its going to hurt.

I,m a nice bloke really but why the hell should I particularly care about some other persons animals? Thats their job. And obviously if that dog is chewing on me or running in front of me they can do it better.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby AKO » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:35 pm

Percrime wrote:I,m a nice bloke really but why the hell should I particularly care about some other persons animals? Thats their job. And obviously if that dog is chewing on me or running in front of me they can do it better.

Couldn't agree more. That's the reason I don't take my dog out of the back yard. It is a brainless twit of a thing. On or off a leash the thing is unpredictable. I don't want to be responsible for the damage he my cause (he wouldn't bite someone but he would probably dart out from nowhere and get tangled up in someone's spokes). But if someone else's brainless dog comes at me, it's probably going to end up with a headache, and the owner a sore ear.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby backslashio » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:11 am

Gotta love the cyclists who give me absolutely no warning they're approaching me and besides flying past they always try to leave the most narrow gap when overtaking :x There's plenty of additional width on the path, use it! Surprised I've yet to have someone crash into the back of me despite hugging the left side
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Postby TraceyG » Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:43 pm

Just had a call from my adult son who was out riding along a shared path in Geelong this morning. Stupid peds with a rat-sized dog off its leash. Owners stepped to side when they saw my son approaching on his bike, the animal stepped off with them but then decided it was more fun to terrorise a cyclist. My son's natural instinct was to brake to avoid the beastie, which resulted in him going straight over the handlebars.

Owners vaguely apologised and departed the scene. My son brushed himself off, in shock, got back on his bike and rode off but didn't get too far before realising that he was in a lot of pain and couldn't straighten his arm. Phoned his wife who came and picked him, several hours in emergency later and he has a broken arm and three weeks off work. Plus he can't ride for about six weeks, plus it's their first wedding anniversary next week, plus they are heading overseas for a holiday shortly.

He realises now that he should have gotten the owners' details but he was in too much shock. He says next he will make them call an ambulance! I have suggested he make a report to the council and ask them to send their by laws people along the path regularly to try and educate idiot dog owners.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Percrime » Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:07 pm

They would probably have lied anyway. Owners of small uncontrolled rat like dogs are not big on taking responsibility. What he should have done was take their pic. But as you said he was in shock. Never mind.. while he is off work he should haunt that path. I would
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jasonc » Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:08 pm

dogwalkers are people of habit. I'd be paying a visit back to the same spot at the same time tomorrow/next week
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Postby trailgumby » Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:18 pm

If the dog is rat-sized I'd be inclined not to brake and to loft the front. Easy to say, hard to do though. Natural reflex is to get on the anchors.

Pooh on the dog owners. :x
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Postby jasonc » Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:29 pm

trailgumby wrote:If the dog is rat-sized I'd be inclined not to brake and to loft the front. Easy to say, hard to do though. Natural reflex is to get on the anchors.

Pooh on the dog owners. :x


maybe we need to learn to aim for the owners? soft landing and their "poor little pooch" isn't hurt
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Postby Rhubarb » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:21 pm

I got chased by a dog a few days ago on a bikepath with no off leash area. I was in my velomobile. Dogs love barking and chasing velos like you wouldn't believe unless you've seen it. This has happened before where I've stopped and let the owner come and get the dog etc. But today I was annoyed since this dog was a large dog and a very aggressive chaser, barking and snarling quite close to me. So I sped up a little, but not too much, so as just to keep a little ahead of it. The dog could do mid 40s to start with, but after about 2kms could barely manage low 20s, before it eventually just gave up and stopped. I hope the owner paniced.
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Postby Slow6 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:44 pm

You could freak out every off the leash owner in the park by whizzing through with the velo adorned in sausages.

Come to think of it you might have an easier time claiming your lane later on if you had a dozen slobbering hounds on your tail.

win/win
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Myrtone » Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:45 pm

I was riding down a shared path and there were a number of people standing on that path, I sounded the bell and told them off, one of the cursed at me, and anothre told me "this is a shared path." Yes, but that surely dosen't mean that peds can just do what they want, they sholud no more disrupt velopedestrian (pedal powered vehicular) traffic, anymore than any road user may disrupt vehicular traffic.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby g-boaf » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:44 pm

TraceyG wrote:Owners vaguely apologised and departed the scene. My son brushed himself off, in shock, got back on his bike and rode off but didn't get too far before realising that he was in a lot of pain and couldn't straighten his arm. Phoned his wife who came and picked him, several hours in emergency later and he has a broken arm and three weeks off work. Plus he can't ride for about six weeks, plus it's their first wedding anniversary next week, plus they are heading overseas for a holiday shortly.

He realises now that he should have gotten the owners' details but he was in too much shock. He says next he will make them call an ambulance! I have suggested he make a report to the council and ask them to send their by laws people along the path regularly to try and educate idiot dog owners.


Be careful about that, hasn't there been some quite heated discussion about dogs chasing cyclists recently on here? :lol: Hope your son mends well.

I've had a few close encounters with dogs not on a leash. I've slowed down to a crawl, and then the silly owner calls her dog across in front of me! :roll: She had headphones on - but as I went past, I did mention that it "should be on a leash" (the sign was nearby too). :roll:

This mornings silly happenings also involved dogs and pedestrians - in both cases though, riding the bike while walking the dog (or dogs in the second case). Case one, guy riding while walking his bull terrier type dog. He eventually stopped off to the side of the path when he noticed I made no attempt at all to pass him, and his dog. Case two, lady riding with her two dogs running alongside. If those dogs decided to make a run for it, their owners would have been on the ground. :roll: Very silly.

The councils need to crack down on people with their dogs not on a leash in areas where it isn't allowed. Not only for cyclists, but for other people walking too.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Percrime » Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:03 pm

They need to crack down on them where the dog is on the path in a leash free area too. If the owner cannot demonstrate the animal is under control they should cop a ticket.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby g-boaf » Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:23 pm

Percrime wrote:They need to crack down on them where the dog is on the path in a leash free area too. If the owner cannot demonstrate the animal is under control they should cop a ticket.


I can say it's a lot more peaceful riding around industrial back-roads at night with no traffic about. They are totally smooth and no pedestrians or their hounds to worry about. :D
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby London Boy » Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:41 pm

TraceyG wrote:Just had a call from my adult son who was out riding along a shared path in Geelong this morning. Stupid peds with a rat-sized dog off its leash. Owners stepped to side when they saw my son approaching on his bike, the animal stepped off with them but then decided it was more fun to terrorise a cyclist. My son's natural instinct was to brake to avoid the beastie, which resulted in him going straight over the handlebars.

So the next time it won't sound like crash, it will sound more like buddum buddum...
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