The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Mulger bill » Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:20 pm

VRE wrote:
Percrime wrote:
VRE wrote:They're easy to mount, and as you can see the mounting position I use keeps it clear of my hands. It gives me a good view of the road behind my bike. They're also reasonably cheap (about $20, I think?).


Ummm.. Unless you ride on the hoods.

It's interesting how one can reply to another forum member offering useful advice, and then it's almost certain that another will interject with a disparaging remark. I was only trying to help, OK?


I thought Perc was pointing out pros and cons rather than being disparaging. Have to admit, "Wouldn't work for me" was my first thought.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Percrime » Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:43 pm

Mulger bill wrote:
VRE wrote:It's interesting how one can reply to another forum member offering useful advice, and then it's almost certain that another will interject with a disparaging remark. I was only trying to help, OK?


I thought Perc was pointing out pros and cons rather than being disparaging. Have to admit, "Wouldn't work for me" was my first thought.


Yeah so did I. You cant ride that thing with your hand on the right hood. Seems a significant con. I was going to reply pithily to VRE's response but shall restrain myself.

Hanging it on the end of the drops might be better since apparently you can.I have seen a smaller mirror that does that and if I were to use a mirror that would be the way I go. But us trackies are pretty good at looking back.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby kenwstr » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:13 pm

Mulger bill wrote:Drop bars Ken?

Your prayers have been answered.

Shaun


Thanks for the heads up, very much appreciate it and other comments as well. I have been riding an old Malvern Star Sportstar that I bought in 80-81 after it had been done up as a road training bike. I Hadn't ridden it for quite a while then on and off in recent years. Been doing around 90-100 km a week for about the last year. I think it must weigh about 15kg. I noticed another B2B rider with a mirror mounted in the end of the drop too and will check for viable mounting when it's light outside.

I know that for any opinion offered on a forum there is an opposing opinion so may I suggest that offering alternate workable solutions is a constructive way to handle this.

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Big_Red » Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:02 pm

Dear bike ninjas,

For those of you not in the know (i'm aware your brain freezes when the temps get below 20deg so i won't use big words) the sun in Brisbane sets at 5pm at present and the days officially don't start to get longer until after June 22. Having a dearth of lights to see by, or be seen by when you set off around 4.30 may be understandable because you are a cheap tightwad, but when you are out and about on your BSO at 6.45pm IT IS PITCH *^#$ING BLACK AND YOU ARE A HAZARD TO EVERYONE ELSE. Since you ninjas usually congregate along the bike path that goes under the Kangaroo Point cliffs, if perchance i run into you after you spring from the gloom at the last moment, or if i see you run into some poor ped minding their own business, i will take the opportunity to pretzel your wheels and then throw your BSO into the river.

PS - having lights front and back that are visible for 200m is a requirement under the Qld road rules. Common sense doesn't form part of the equation because apparently it isn't that common...


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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Dan » Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:04 pm

That rant is worthy of a retweet. I mean repost. I mean quote - ah, you get the idea ;)
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Big_Red » Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:32 pm

I do tend to get rather ranty after seeing stupid behavior repeated in adfinitem. It seriously takes quite a bit to piss me off, but i'm coming across people with no lights when the sun has been down for a good 2-3 hours and they'd have to be absolutely clueless. It doesn't really cost a lot to get some half decent lights these days, so no excuse will cut it. I came across one dude either texting/playing a game/looking at p0rn on his iDevice around 7.45pm riding the opposite direction from me while on the Story Bridge, last week, while meandering their way through the joggers & other peds, no lights on bike, headphones firmly jammed in his skull. Definitely a Darwin Award nominee.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Percrime » Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:02 pm

And far far worse is the moron with a red tail light on the front. Road side execution of these fools is way way way too lenient
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Mulger bill » Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:31 pm

Percrime wrote:And far far worse is the moron with a red tail light on the front. Road side execution of these fools is way way way too lenient

Not to mention the one with a tiny white on the rear and nothing else I saw on Footscray Rd path last night, took me a while to realise why the closing speed was so slow. :oops: :roll:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jasonc » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:39 am

Percrime wrote:And far far worse is the moron with a red tail light on the front. Road side execution of these fools is way way way too lenient

+1

there's a guy I see regularly with a red light on top of his belt buckle going along the bicentennial bikeway
:shock:

I was coming home late last night (left work at 5:30) and when I got to anzac park (start of the western freeway) there was a guy on a BMX with no helmet (don't care - speeds up darwin) and no lights

they just do not understand
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Saturnstarzz » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:40 am

Its been a cracker of a Morning thus far. Pre Dawn rain falling, Have both my headlights Helmet and Bar on and a blinky, see a shadowy figure coming towards , thinking it some sort of animal coming home from feeding , but alas it a Salmon Ninja on Docklands Highway /Francis Street (known truck route) in Melbourne's West, Who almost has a head on with me Both of us slamming on our brakes (thank god for hydros) who tells me " You should slow down you looked like a car". :twisted:

Lady on a beach cruiser with no lid got asked by a roadie in front of me "wheres ya helmet" , response was " It will mess up my hair." I T WAS RAINING.

Then the bloke who i can only best describe having a really bad hangover today as he fell out his taxi and tripped over the gutter into a Cophenhagen bike lane on Latrobe, lucky was going slow as would have fallen off laughing.

And last but not least the ped who forgot what the little green man meant on swanston st near the tram superstop at melbourne Central may have been told to use the lights next time.

Why does this all happen when I leave my camera (AT) home.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Bah77 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:20 pm

The cyclist who while getting on his bike looks back and sees me coming, then still manages to veer to the middle of the road as i was coming up past him, well done. Either ride straight or wait.
Didnt look like a casual either.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby g-boaf » Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:49 pm

Big_Red wrote:I do tend to get rather ranty after seeing stupid behavior repeated in adfinitem. It seriously takes quite a bit to piss me off, but i'm coming across people with no lights when the sun has been down for a good 2-3 hours and they'd have to be absolutely clueless. It doesn't really cost a lot to get some half decent lights these days, so no excuse will cut it. I came across one dude either texting/playing a game/looking at p0rn on his iDevice around 7.45pm riding the opposite direction from me while on the Story Bridge, last week, while meandering their way through the joggers & other peds, no lights on bike, headphones firmly jammed in his skull. Definitely a Darwin Award nominee.


Yeah, they are pretty dumb riding around at night with no lights on. On the local bike track, seeing a burnt out car dumped in one of the dark underpasses - imagine that at night, and one of these ninjas going into that at 20km/h or so. :shock:

Same with the pedestrians who insist on walking around at night wearing the blackest of black clothes - in unlit areas, they are just about invisible.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby chill1995 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:54 pm

Dan wrote:That rant is worthy of a retweet. I mean repost. I mean quote - ah, you get the idea ;)

lol....
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby bigfriendlyvegan » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:52 pm

While it won't help you on the front, this makes you quite visible: http://www.bicycles.net.au/2013/06/prov ... r-cyclist/

I'm now thinking of "Tron-ing" up the bike with a bit of EL lighting.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby queequeg » Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:02 pm

bigfriendlyvegan wrote:While it won't help you on the front, this makes you quite visible: http://www.bicycles.net.au/2013/06/prov ... r-cyclist/

I'm now thinking of "Tron-ing" up the bike with a bit of EL lighting.


I ride with one of these:-

http://www.exelitesafety.com/recreation ... t=lumisash

I get all sorts of comments about it. A gaggle of teenage girls shouted out to me on Friday night. saying "Hi there mr glowing man!"

I love the reaction from little kids though, usually along the lines of, "Look Mum, That is soooo cool!"

I also have the LumiPac for days when I ride the road bike with my backpack.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby bigfriendlyvegan » Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:09 pm

Cool vest. I've been looking at things like this for a while now, but have never ventured into it.

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Lukeyboy » Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:52 am

g-boaf wrote:Same with the pedestrians who insist on walking around at night wearing the blackest of black clothes - in unlit areas, they are just about invisible.


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"Oh are they? Or are five in a dark black, and five in a slightly darker black?"
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby eldavo » Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:37 am

Great show to quote :)

Here's my latest film titled Pannier Apocolypse, starring Blue Steel.


Blue Steel makes a sudden double pass without checking and runs this oncoming rider off the path.
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Blue Steel's sudden move ends out here a couple metres later before reigning it back in to the left.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby ldrcycles » Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:45 am

bigfriendlyvegan wrote:Cool vest. I've been looking at things like this for a while now, but have never ventured into it.

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You can get a light like that in the BSO section at Big W now, I forget how much exactly but it's pretty cheap so I reckon it would be good for a trial.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby you cannot be sirrus » Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:01 pm

Tuesday morning 6am saw a guy on a BSO ahead of me on a shared path riding/wobbling on the white centre line. I think he was confused by my front blinky making the white line flash on and off. "Passing right" I call and he veers into the right lane. "On your right, mate" he moves further right. I slow down and suggest he stays left and he replied "You were in the left lane and told me to go right"
I suggested he might want to buy some lights and keep left next time, this path is a pretty steep uphill and anyone descending would likely have cleaned him up.

Thursday morning 6am, same path. saw an animal move up ahead in my lights and thought it was a rabbit. As I got closer realised it was a small dog so I slowed to ride around it and nearly rode into the ninja owner dressed in black stepping out of some bushes (I assume he was having a pee). The conversation went
"You might be better putting your dog on a lead mate"
"I don't have to, pedestrians have right of way".
Me "It might be safer for your dog"
Him "Why, he's not causing a problem"
Me " look behind you mate, there's four bikes coming down the hill, if it's wasn't for my lights they might clean both of you up"

REMOVED - re-read the rules, you could simple say that the person used foul language.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jasonc » Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:13 pm

you cannot be sirrus wrote: Quote was removed as per above


time for studded tyres. may darwin cleanse the gene pool
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby g-boaf » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:34 pm

you cannot be sirrus wrote:"I don't have to, pedestrians have right of way".


I think they get that from certain bicycle forums which have huge long debates about cyclists or pedestrians having right of way...

Anyhow - I'm the stupid one today. Didn't realise that my lights were low on power. The back one went out and the front one was going into its power-saving mode as I was rolling up to my driveway. :shock: That won't happen again. :shock:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby high_tea » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:50 pm

g-boaf wrote:
you cannot be sirrus wrote:"I don't have to, pedestrians have right of way".


I think they get that from certain bicycle forums which have huge long debates about cyclists or pedestrians having right of way...

Anyhow - I'm the stupid one today. Didn't realise that my lights were low on power. The back one went out and the front one was going into its power-saving mode as I was rolling up to my driveway. :shock: That won't happen again. :shock:


Maybe. Maybe they got it from the plain words of the statute relevant to their jurisdiction, which says that very thing. Or maybe they drank a 40oz bottle of Bundy at one sitting and threw cards into a hat until they thought of something to write down on a Tally-Ho which they stuck on the fridge and found, to their amazement, that it was both legible and intelligible when they looked at it in the morning. Who knows? Who cares? They're right.

EDIT: They were, of course, overlooking the obligation not to unreasonably obstruct.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby eldavo » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:07 pm

This one for WA:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/wa/c ... /s201.html

ROAD TRAFFIC CODE 2000 - REG 201

201 . Pedestrians not to cause obstruction

(1) A person shall not unreasonably obstruct or prevent the free passage of any other pedestrian or a vehicle upon a path or carriageway.

Modified penalty: 2 PU.

(2) In subregulation (1), a pedestrian does not unreasonably obstruct the path of another pedestrian only by travelling more slowly than other pedestrians.

[Regulation 201 amended in Gazette 22 Dec 2006 p. 5819.]

It's not about reasonable or unreasonable obstruction, just to stamp out that "I can be malicious with my protections as a vulnerable party and not be held accountable".
While it's a moaner thread the gist should be about sharing infrastructure and everyone getting along with the get along, safely with understanding of the rules we expect shared understanding for predictable behaviour to reduce the surprises and incidents. Peace love and empathy.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby g-boaf » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:25 pm

high_tea wrote:
Maybe. Maybe they got it from the plain words of the statute relevant to their jurisdiction, which says that very thing. ..... Who knows? Who cares? They're right.

EDIT: They were, of course, overlooking the obligation not to unreasonably obstruct.


Who says their obstruction was unreasonable? That's all in the interpretation - especially in the absence of any other evidence or witnesses to prove otherwise.
eldavo wrote:Not obstructing or due care and other such things that mean you can't pop across someone's path cause an incident and not be responsible for it. Check the relevant road traffic acts.


It's like Republicans -v- Democrat arguments if you ever frequent any American internet forums.

Unfortunately some people don't want to share the infrastructure like shared paths, especially wide/open ones - so rules need to be brought in to make this happen. Such as keep left at all times unless overtaking. This would make things a lot better. And no riding two-abreast. And no riding with your dogs leashed to the handlebars... :roll:
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