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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Thrilloilogy » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:32 pm

Had a cracker dumb pedestrian tonight. City bound on the Gore Hill cycleway, a bus load of people had just been dropped off at the bus stop. There is one ped who is starting to look my way but doesn't see me and then turns looking the otherway and stepping out. I called out hey hey hey to get his attention. And after I passed he drops the f bomb cyclist comment; to which I responded with the adrenaline of the situation by calling something that is unprintable here. I then reviewed my video footage and gps data, and I didn't do anything wrong - well with my cycling. I perhaps would not have returned fire if I had my time again. Given the pedestrian volume, I only had the line I was travelling in to travel in. My GPS said I was travelling at 9 km/h in the lead up and throughout that section till it was safer to go faster. Is 9 km/h too fast in these situations?

From reviewing the footage, I think the guy was distracted by some good sorts on the other side of the path; and was probably thinking of something cheesy to say to them. I wonder what they would have thought if I crashed into him. The only reason there was no crash was because he responded straight away to my "hey hey hey" and jumped out my way the correct way. Small mercies I guess.

I also tried to be a good fellow commuter by warning an oncoming cyclist about an unleased dog; but obviously caused more confusion - I hope when he saw the unleashed dogs he realised what I was trying to tell him. I hope he didn;t think I was insulting him!!!
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby BianchiCam » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:50 pm

Peds really should be registered. No accountability!
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby g-boaf » Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:05 pm

Thrilloilogy wrote:Had a cracker dumb pedestrian tonight. City bound on the Gore Hill cycleway, a bus load of people had just been dropped off at the bus stop. There is one ped who is starting to look my way but doesn't see me and then turns looking the otherway and stepping out. I called out hey hey hey to get his attention. And after I passed he drops the f bomb cyclist comment; to which I responded with the adrenaline of the situation by calling something that is unprintable here. I then reviewed my video footage and gps data, and I didn't do anything wrong - well with my cycling. I perhaps would not have returned fire if I had my time again. Given the pedestrian volume, I only had the line I was travelling in to travel in. My GPS said I was travelling at 9 km/h in the lead up and throughout that section till it was safer to go faster. Is 9 km/h too fast in these situations?

From reviewing the footage, I think the guy was distracted by some good sorts on the other side of the path; and was probably thinking of something cheesy to say to them. I wonder what they would have thought if I crashed into him. The only reason there was no crash was because he responded straight away to my "hey hey hey" and jumped out my way the correct way. Small mercies I guess.

I also tried to be a good fellow commuter by warning an oncoming cyclist about an unleased dog; but obviously caused more confusion - I hope when he saw the unleashed dogs he realised what I was trying to tell him. I hope he didn;t think I was insulting him!!!


I don't really know why you are mentioning it here? Pedestrians = unaccountable around this place, cyclists must give way. According to months and months of discussions on the topic which I might just dig up for interest.

I think you did the right thing, but until pedestrians are required to be responsible for their actions, they'll keep doing this AND blame cyclists for it. :| All you can do is be extra careful around them and know that whatever happens, it's ALWAYS our fault, never the fault of the pedestrian. :?
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Mulger bill » Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:21 pm

You can tell the rain's stopped in Melbs...
Ninjas, salmon and bike path meanderthals aplenty on the run into work. *sigh*
...whatever the road rules, self-preservation is the absolute priority for a cyclist when mixing it with motorised traffic.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby The Fixer » Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:54 pm

Me, this morning.

Glorious day, sunshine, so rode the 1990 Apollo 'Clipper' to work.

Crosswinds all the way there, and a headwind all the way home.

Wish I'd ridden the K-Mart dual-shock BSO instead, it's built like a
bridge, and doesn't budge for crosswinds. The 'Clipper' on the other
hand, kept trying to turn itself into a hang-glider... :-(
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby The Fixer » Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:04 pm

And here's one, an oldie but a goodie...

14-year-old kid, big exam that day, up late studying the night before. On the way to school.

Head down, bum up on a single-speed (not 'fixed') Speedwell 'Flash', mind on the exam, not on the road.

Rides straight into the rear quarter-panel of a car that's just backed out of a drive-way.

Bent forks and injured pride the only casualties, fortunately.



That was over 40 years ago, now I ride to the conditions, and watch where I'm going!! :-)
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Gordonhooker » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:35 am

Mulger bill wrote:You can tell the rain's stopped in Melbs...
Ninjas, salmon and bike path meanderthals aplenty on the run into work. *sigh*


Love it can I use that word sometimes please?
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Gordonhooker » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:38 am

Gordonhooker wrote:Tues 22 Oct 2013 between 7:35 - 7:40 AM a group of cyclists city bound on Wynnum Road at Tingalpa - there is a specially built bicycle lane obviously built for both cyclist safety and is signed ALL BICYCLES - group of about 10 cyclist the lead rider ignores the ALL BICYCLES sign the group blindly follow him through. The people in the group will know who they are when they read this - you people are not doing the rest of us any favours by ignoring road rules, you are adding the motorists mindset that we are all a law unto ourselves.


Thurs 24 Oct 2013 same time, same place, smaller group but same lead rider straight through again totally ignoring the signed bike lane... I might have a chat to one of my buddies at our local Police station and ask him to let the traffic branch boys know about this bloke and his groups.... unless we as cyclists do something about this people who give us a bad name then we really can't argue against those who think we are a law unto ourselves.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby InTheWoods » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:43 am

Gordonhooker wrote:
Gordonhooker wrote:Tues 22 Oct 2013 between 7:35 - 7:40 AM a group of cyclists city bound on Wynnum Road at Tingalpa - there is a specially built bicycle lane obviously built for both cyclist safety and is signed ALL BICYCLES - group of about 10 cyclist the lead rider ignores the ALL BICYCLES sign the group blindly follow him through. The people in the group will know who they are when they read this - you people are not doing the rest of us any favours by ignoring road rules, you are adding the motorists mindset that we are all a law unto ourselves.


Thurs 24 Oct 2013 same time, same place, smaller group but same lead rider straight through again totally ignoring the signed bike lane... I might have a chat to one of my buddies at our local Police station and ask him to let the traffic branch boys know about this bloke and his groups.... unless we as cyclists do something about this people who give us a bad name then we really can't argue against those who think we are a law unto ourselves.


While I don't condone breaking rules, can I ask, did you make that much effort last time you saw a driver do something against the rules, with possibly much more serious consequences other than using a piece of road?

ps. You haven't yet confirmed if there is a bike lane start sign there now which would indicate it was actually a bike lane (no bike lane start sign = not a bike lane). If there isn't such a sign, I don't believe the "all cyclists" sign has a legal meaning on the road as it is not in the list of legal signs.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby adrian_d » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:51 am

I was a dumb cyclist about 11 years ago and was about 18 years old at the time. Was riding a friends road bike for the first time, couldn't believe how quick it was. I ended up going a bit quicker than I should gravel and someone else on the other lane was also coming through the corner a bit quick and we ended up swerving to get out of each others way and both nearly managed to stop in time and the other cyclist fell off. Unfortunately he didn't have gloves so I still remember him picking up the rocks from his palm :(

I was so apologetic to him but he said we just both ended up being at the wrong place at the wrong time and was very compassionate :(

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Gordonhooker » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:53 am

InTheWoods wrote:
Gordonhooker wrote:
Gordonhooker wrote:Tues 22 Oct 2013 between 7:35 - 7:40 AM a group of cyclists city bound on Wynnum Road at Tingalpa - there is a specially built bicycle lane obviously built for both cyclist safety and is signed ALL BICYCLES - group of about 10 cyclist the lead rider ignores the ALL BICYCLES sign the group blindly follow him through. The people in the group will know who they are when they read this - you people are not doing the rest of us any favours by ignoring road rules, you are adding the motorists mindset that we are all a law unto ourselves.


Thurs 24 Oct 2013 same time, same place, smaller group but same lead rider straight through again totally ignoring the signed bike lane... I might have a chat to one of my buddies at our local Police station and ask him to let the traffic branch boys know about this bloke and his groups.... unless we as cyclists do something about this people who give us a bad name then we really can't argue against those who think we are a law unto ourselves.


While I don't condone braking rules, can I ask, did you make that much effort last time you saw a driver do something against the rules, with possibly much more serious consequences other than using a piece of road?

ps. You haven't yet confirmed if there is a bike lane start sign there now which would indicate it was actually a bike lane (no bike lane start sign = not a bike lane). If there isn't such a sign, I don't believe the "all cyclists" sign has a legal meaning on the road as it is not in the list of legal signs.


Actually I have in regards to motorcyclists in our club forums my mantra has always been the same - we cannot expect respect from other road users if we don't respect the road rules... I don't see cycling any different then I see motorcycling. If I was member of a motor car club and I saw fellow members doing the wrong thing there I would also say the same as I say here and in the motor bike forums. I live in hope that one day some of the clowns on the road might just listen, and it will be safer for everyone.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby g-boaf » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:55 am

Gordonhooker wrote:
Percrime wrote:
Gordonhooker wrote:I have stopped and picked up broken glass and got rid of off the bike ways and walking tracks before, it wasn't difficult... I figured that was my good deed and I would have hoped other did it as well... obviously not in some cases.


Most of us dont actually ride brooms. Since a bit of glass the size of a grain of rice can cause a flat we would be there a long time using our hands


I wouldn't have expected anyone to try and pick that up, but then again that wasn't my point...


Maybe your point was that you were trolling.

If not, you can clean the bike path up the road from my place - a full time job picking up loads of smashed glass. Clean it up and five minutes later the local bogans smash more of it to make sure we get flats.

Perhaps you'll put as much effort into going after these glass smashing idiots as you will prosecuting your vendetta against a bunch of cyclists.

Apologies if my wording seems strong - but your post hit a nerve.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Gordonhooker » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:04 am

g-boaf wrote:Maybe your point was that you were trolling.

If not, you can clean the bike path up the road from my place - a full time job picking up loads of smashed glass. Clean it up and five minutes later the local bogans smash more of it to make sure we get flats.

Perhaps you'll put as much effort into going after these glass smashing idiots as you will prosecuting your vendetta against a bunch of cyclists.

Apologies if my wording seems strong - but your post hit a nerve.


Nope not trolling actually the comment about the glass was an aside - I simply asked Luke if he cleaned it up and said I have stopped and cleared up broken glass in the past.
So I am sorry if that hit a nerve with you...

This is a cycling forum so yes I talk about the need for cyclists to do the right thing, just as when I am on my motorcyclist forum I talk about motor cycle safety and doing the right the thing.

Honestly when you think about how can we stand up put our hand on our heart and say we are responsible road and bike trail users and then ignore the road rules? I am sorry I just don't get that...
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby g-boaf » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:18 am

It hit a nerve because that smashed glass has cost me so much in replacing punctured tubes and cut tyres. So it is hardly surprising if people try to avoid locations where it is known to be a problem.

And if it is on a road-side bicycle lane (not grade separated or median-separated) then it might not be safe to stop and crouch over to pick up many small shards of glass with trucks zooming by.

I clear up glass when I can - but sometimes there is so much of it you need a leaf blower or a motorised sweeper to get rid of it. And no sooner it is cleaned up, someone smashes more glass again, deliberately. And it is always deliberately done in the places where it causes most inconvenience. :roll:

I can stand up and say that I am a responsible and careful cyclist who follows the rules.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby adrian_d » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:33 am

For the costs associated in getting someone to clear it up, it might be better off that they install a security camera in that area. That would suck having to go past a section of road everyday and having to avoid sharp glass. Imagine if someone fell on it (most likely me wearing cleats lol) or even someone running, they would be in hospital with bad lacerations. Not sure how anyone can sleep at night knowing they left such a danger for someone to clean up after them.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Aushiker » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:04 am

I don't normally post these sorts of stories here as it is not a personal experience but this one caught my attention for a number of reasons but mainly because of the law ...

The male cyclist concerned has been charged with

the offence of wanton and furious cycling dates from an 1861 act of parliament, the Offences Against the Person Act, later amended by the Criminal Justice Act 1948.


The outcome of his alleged horrific behaviour are shocking and very very sad. It is a reminder to all of us that our as cyclists we are not immune from doing hurt to others. I just hope this little girl recovers to have a decent life.

The related news article can be found at http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/1 ... rd_Cliffs/

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Summernight » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:06 am

Gordonhooker wrote:Honestly when you think about how can we stand up put our hand on our heart and say we are responsible road and bike trail users and then ignore the road rules? I am sorry I just don't get that...


Because we still haven't established (at least that I've seen on here) that that 'All bicycles' sign is a legal sign that must be obeyed by all cyclists. It may just be a recommendation (like those yellow signs for advisory speed that no-one takes any notice of).
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Gordonhooker » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:11 am

g-boaf wrote:It hit a nerve because that smashed glass has cost me so much in replacing punctured tubes and cut tyres. So it is hardly surprising if people try to avoid locations where it is known to be a problem.

And if it is on a road-side bicycle lane (not grade separated or median-separated) then it might not be safe to stop and crouch over to pick up many small shards of glass with trucks zooming by.

I clear up glass when I can - but sometimes there is so much of it you need a leaf blower or a motorised sweeper to get rid of it. And no sooner it is cleaned up, someone smashes more glass again, deliberately. And it is always deliberately done in the places where it causes most inconvenience. :roll:

I can stand up and say that I am a responsible and careful cyclist who follows the rules.


That is fine I can understand where you are coming from - and no I wouldn't stop on a busy road to do it either...

It is great to hear that there are some riders out there that are responsible and careful there should be heaps more us.

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Undertow » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:11 am

Gordonhooker wrote:
Gordonhooker wrote:Tues 22 Oct 2013 between 7:35 - 7:40 AM a group of cyclists city bound on Wynnum Road at Tingalpa - there is a specially built bicycle lane obviously built for both cyclist safety and is signed ALL BICYCLES - group of about 10 cyclist the lead rider ignores the ALL BICYCLES sign the group blindly follow him through. The people in the group will know who they are when they read this - you people are not doing the rest of us any favours by ignoring road rules, you are adding the motorists mindset that we are all a law unto ourselves.


Thurs 24 Oct 2013 same time, same place, smaller group but same lead rider straight through again totally ignoring the signed bike lane... I might have a chat to one of my buddies at our local Police station and ask him to let the traffic branch boys know about this bloke and his groups.... unless we as cyclists do something about this people who give us a bad name then we really can't argue against those who think we are a law unto ourselves.



I've done some digging and it looks like the "All Bicycles" sign isn't a valid road sign, its a shared path sign.

(not sure if the link will work as google is giving me giberish)

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct= ... Gc&cad=rja

So it doesn't apply to cyclists on the road, and you are wasting your time complaining and thinking about reporting it to the cops.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Gordonhooker » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:27 am

Summernight wrote:
Gordonhooker wrote:Honestly when you think about how can we stand up put our hand on our heart and say we are responsible road and bike trail users and then ignore the road rules? I am sorry I just don't get that...


Because we still haven't established (at least that I've seen on here) that that 'All bicycles' sign is a legal sign that must be obeyed by all cyclists. It may just be a recommendation (like those yellow signs for advisory speed that no-one takes any notice of).


It is a part of the Bike Lane indicating that are bicycles are use it, and I would suggest that if you were pulled over by the police they would quote:

Riding in a bicycle lane on a road (s247)
You should:
- always use a bicycle lane where provided, unless it is impracticable to do so
- never ride in a bicycle lane on the wrong side of the road (travelling towards oncoming traffic).

Not sure how you would convince the police officer it was impracticable to not use it especially when a number of riders and groups before you do use it.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby redned » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:50 am

Gordonhooker wrote:It is a part of the Bike Lane indicating that are bicycles are use it


If it is a Bicycle Lane, marked appropriately by the signs in the Road Traffic Code, you are right. But the "All Bicycles" sign is not a Bicycle Lane sign and does not make it a Bicycle Lane under the Code.

And "impracticable to do so" can mean where the Bicycle Lane is in a door zone, but I don't know these particular circumstances.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby InTheWoods » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:53 am

Undertow wrote:I've done some digging and it looks like the "All Bicycles" sign isn't a valid road sign, its a shared path sign.

(not sure if the link will work as google is giving me giberish)

So it doesn't apply to cyclists on the road, and you are wasting your time complaining and thinking about reporting it to the cops.


Good work, but you are wrong! But you lead me down the path to finding the correct answer so thanks for that!!

So there is a document called the manual of uniform traffic control devices. The "ALL BICYCLES" sign appears in this manual, as sign number G9-60. (On as aside, it is interesting to see that "Cyclists Dismount" is sign G9-58). The sign number is significant.

1.6 NUMBERING OF SIGNS
1.6.1 Coding System
The numbering system used in the Manual is an alphanumeric coding system comprising –
(a) a letter prefix, as shown in Clause 1.6.2, to denote the class of sign;
(b) a number to denote the sign series;
(c) a number(s) to identify the sign in the series;
NOTE: Where variations of some types of sign occur, these are identified by an additional number. Where a sign has been
specially developed in Queensland, the number includes the letter Q (e.g. R2-Q02).
(d) a letter to denote the size of the sign (e.g. A, B, C, D etc, where A is the smallest sign size);
(e) the letters (L) or (R), when the sign has directional significance

1.6.2 Prefixes
The letter prefixes used are
R – Regulatory Signs
W – Warning Signs
G – Guide Signs
GE – Freeway Guide Signs
T – Temporary Signs
D – Hazard Markers.


I now refer you to this:
Prefix G - inform and advise road users of directions, distances, destinations, routes,
the location of services for road users, points of interest and other traffic
information

Prefix R - To regulate the movement of traffic and to indicate that a legal requirement
applies, failure to comply with which constitutes an offence


So the G9-60 "ALL BICYCLES" sign, and the G9-58 "CYCLISTS DISMOUNT" sign are both Guides Only, there is no regulatory requirement to follow them.

So, Gordonhooker, good luck on your obsession with these cyclists not following an optional sign.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby InTheWoods » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:02 pm

Gordonhooker wrote:Riding in a bicycle lane on a road (s247)
You should:
- always use a bicycle lane where provided, unless it is impracticable to do so


I'm guessing you are quoting from the summary of rules, and have not read what the definition of a bicycle lane is in the actual rules. It must have a bicycle lane start sign, on a sign post at the start, and it will finish at the next intersection unless the bicycle lane carries through the intersection. If it doesn't have one of those signs, it is a bicycle awareness zone, and it is not compulsory to use it.
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Postby Xplora » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:22 pm

Impracticable is a mongrel of a word, and it is certainly within one rider's discretion to take one place in the lane and another rider's discretion to take another. If I am on the weekender, and riding down a bumpy part of road that has something smooth in the middle (pipe laid and recently tarred) then I will use that part of the lane because my speed is generally 35-40kmh and it is safer and more comfortable to ride on that smoother section - my tyres won't cope with junky road LOL
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Gordonhooker » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:38 pm

InTheWoods wrote:
Gordonhooker wrote:Riding in a bicycle lane on a road (s247)
You should:
- always use a bicycle lane where provided, unless it is impracticable to do so


I'm guessing you are quoting from the summary of rules, and have not read what the definition of a bicycle lane is in the actual rules. It must have a bicycle lane start sign, on a sign post at the start, and it will finish at the next intersection unless the bicycle lane carries through the intersection. If it doesn't have one of those signs, it is a bicycle awareness zone, and it is not compulsory to use it.


Will keep my eye out for that on the way home... and let you know tomorrow.
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