I didn't know that Stephen Hawking was in Australia. Must be colour blind.
open topic, for anything cycling related.
Probably a good thing he's on a bike. With that awesome attitude, he'd be one of the featured stars on Moron Motorists #3.
Yep, I would definitely prefer him to be on a bike than behind the wheel of two tonnes of steel. He wasn't so much dumb as angry & impatient - hence the give him a hug comment
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As a cyclist I would have been quite annoyed at somebody driving a 2 tonne cage trying to tell me that I should not be riding on a pedestrian crossing. Seriously dude, don't make yourself another rude motorist.
Had 2 idiots today- first was at the overpass on the PSP at Stirling- some gumby dropped rubbish blocking 2/3 of the path where it enters the road. I pulled over and started to clear the rubbish away as it was dangerous- whilst doing this about 6 cyclists rode down- none stopping to help, Mr in a hurry yelled loudly to get off the f*&^ing bike path. Real intelligent it is a shared path and I was actually clearing the rubbish out of his and others way. If I had a chance I would have thrust some of the cactus I was clearing in his front wheel
Second one was a moron motorist- I am too lazy to tell over int he MM thread though- I claimed the lane and this young lady advised me in a very courteous manner to quote
"get off the f***ing road you are holding everyone up" (as I re-overtook her and all the other MGIF's as they got held up at a set of lights)
If you're going to ride across a pedestrian crossing, don't obstruct cars. I thought that would be pretty common sense?
I am sorry what!!! You break the law and get advised of it by someone anyone and you get annoyed- all I see from that comment is just another self important twit driving, riding, walking around believing their illegal behavior is justified in this case because they are on a bike not in a 2 tonne steel cage. If you break the law suffer the consequences including being run over by a 2 tonne steel cage that could not stop in time (which is probably why the law you broke is in place in the first instance)
Wow. Your really are a charming person. Lets try to make the roads more pleasant rather than less. At the same time that rule infringer is busy justifying their minor infraction, you are busy justifying your rudeness.
Your post above indicated that rudeness to another legal road user outlining a "minor' infraction is justified due to their personal mode of transport- pot calling the kettle black. I am only responding to what I see as a general rule of humanity- "everyone else is the cause of all my problems".
Okay very slowly- you indicate that getting annoyed at being told off about breaking the law is justified as the other person is in a car, a. I see this every day- people called out on breaking the law and their response is the get angry and often threaten violence- that to me is rudeness.
As far as I see it this forum is NOT about some personal vendetta against cars and/or their users regardless of their environmental impact etc. As to poor behavior/attitudes, I see the exact same behavior of drivers repeated in riders (often in greater numbers percentage wise) and would suggest the vast majority of drivers do a good job of trying to ensure my safety when I am riding on the road.
Hi CXCommuter ,Too much aggro for me.....
Just as a casual observation, I am reading more and more posts of wanting to inflict violence on the part of cyclists, or advocating it, in bicycle forums such as ours.
An illegally parked car...”maybe he wouldn’t like it keyed with a bell” or “smear it with dog poo”
A ped crossing illegally..... “He deserves to be run over” or “suffer the consequences including being run over by a 2 tonne steel cage”
On that other bike forum some two good cyclists advocate if done wrong too... “ring the authorities and tell them you spotted the driver throwing out rubbish”
Some think it is good to see cars in a certain street with lots of their side mirrors damaged.
I am the same as everyone else and get angry at times and I too have had my share of incidents with cars and peds. But we are saying they are perhaps dumb peds in this thread, and just as we have dumb cyclists, why are some writers wishing harm on other people or hoping for it to occur?
Or indeed implying that others deserve injury. Yet when a cyclist gets a good turn done by a motorist, would you like that motorist to say “Wow he made an error, lucky I braked” or to think “look at that idiot I should have given him a good bump for his trouble?”
We see so many pretty ordinary instances of just plain ebb and flow of traffic both here and on MM that are really just human error and not intentional.
Trouble is some seem to take it to heart as intentional (and it sometimes is) and then start seeing wrong in every minute of their ride.
I agree there is too much aggro.
That is not what I indicated.
Can someone point out anywhere I am advocating violence- I am not advocating violence, I am in fact solidly against it- what I am aggro about is people thinking they can break the law, that being either cyclists, pedestrians or drivers- get pulled up on it and then get annoyed/aggro/angry because they did get pulled up on it- which is a very common experience IMHO. I do not want to see anyone injured or any property damaged.
BTW I do not see riding across a busy pedestrian crossing with no warning, forcing drivers to brake hard as a minor infraction. The reason why dismounting is required is in part so drivers can see and react to what is expected at a pedestrian crossing ie a pedestrian not a cyclist.
It is not the riding on the crossing that is the issue, it was the squirting onto the road with no warning (that the rule is supposed to address)..
The rider was less than safe regardless of the rules. I believe I was far less rude than the rider. I only yelled out because of the adrenal response after stopping my car inches from someone my son later called a "darwin award candidate".
You don't see how that is rude and antisocial? I had a friend who used to always yell out "Where's your helmet!?" every time she saw a cyclist without a helmet. It is unpleasant and rude. If somebody makes a mistake that warrants pointing out then sure point that out. But pointing out the rule infraction rather than the mistake is not productive.
Most people fragrantly breaking rules know they are doing it. Telling them that they are doing it doesn't achieve anything. Pointing out the problems could however be productive. If I had a chance to speak/yell at the moron I saw run a red light yesterday I would tell him "You shouldn't run red lights". I would like to point out that he almost he 4 school kids at high speed.
Fair enough. I do agree with you.
My yelling was a hope to educate someone and help them live longer, not in any way a violent act
I would rather be perceived as being rude and anti social than having to pull a cyclist out from underneath a car or have saved someones life otherwise because they ignored basic laws that are put in place to protect them. If people think their own disregard of the law only impacts upon themselves they need a wake up- the above scenario impacts on the cyclist, the driver and those witnessing/assisting the cyclist who has been run over, all as a result of one persons selfish behaviour.
I have had several instances where people (cyclists, pedestrians and drivers) were pulled up on infractions and were actually grateful they got pulled up on the issue as their understanding of the law was lacking, unfortunately this response is so often lacking.
Not really dumb, but probably just new to cycling I guess. I was passing another cyclist on the M7 and announced passing right. He looked behind and veered right at the same time. no incident occurred and I didn't say anything.
If that was you, no harm done and sorry if I scared you.
If you don't observe the law and get run over by a 2 tonne steel cage, which may contain many more people than a bike can carry, you have suffered the consequences of your own actions, even if they could stop or swerve in time. Now if they were on the wrong side of the road and/or over the speed limit, they must necessarily be at least paritly responsible becasue they what they did was illegal irrespective of the presence of any pedestrian. But if on the correct side of the road and no greater than the speed limit, chances are, they did nothing (irrespectively) wrong, but if they pedestrian was say crossing on a red ped signal they did do something irrespectively wrong.
I rode home from the city today around 11, for the first time. (never go in there if I can help it)
10km/h speed limit on the Goodwill bridge and I am riding nicely, a few walkers meandering all over the place, no problem, a little ding ding, they shuffle over. Get just past the coffee stand and 2 guys walking right in the middle of everything, ding ding, look over their shoulders and the left guy moves over, the right guy moves right. I slowly edge between them and the guy on the right puts his arm out and strikes me, not hard but makes contact. Say What??? Oh wait, he is wearing a flanno and beanie, my bad. He starts abusing me. Really?
Dropped the bike and grabbed him by the throat and spun him around and pointed at the councils camera on the path and explained the concept of assault, provocation and the level of force I am entitled to use in my defence because there are two of them. Fortunately his mate wanted no part of it so no one was hurt and he apologised for his actions as I released pressure and I explained that if he chose to continue when I let him go I would take him to ground and call 000. He didn't get tough again until I was 20m away.
I have to deal with these 'tards at work, I shouldn't be doing freebies on my day off.
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