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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby outnabike » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:53 pm

I like to hear a slight ringing as folks go past.
I saw a cyclist yell "Watch out" to a wayward ped and nearly frightened the ped into jumping into his way. The ped stuttered "where's your bell" and then the cyclist yelled "Expletive..... idiot."
I thought it was going to be on, and it was just a simple slow speed passing manoeuvre.

The thing is the ped was in another world and was really startled, he just didn't hear the bike coming along. My wife was following along with me and we were just as upset as the guys involved.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby antigee » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:25 pm

I run and walk on local shared paths as well as cycle and I quite like a little ding if someone is coming past at sufficient speed to surprise me - not that being surprised really is an issue - all local share trails have signs by the million instructing cyclists to ring and some ring non-stop - I'm selective if a wandering around group or a sole walker I'll ring - if trail busy and moving slow I just consider myself part of the mix

I try not to hate but the thing that really gets me is the two dog walkers chatting/two dogs using all the path combo - ring bell and one steps to left - other to right - dogs stay in middle - this is despite having walked past signs everyday that ask people to keep left :roll:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Jerry68 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:49 am

Thanks for all the feedback. I really try and do the right thing whenever possible and I am a big believer in courtesy as pedestrians and motorists seem to hate us enough out there already!
Another point I forgot to mention is that at times the sheer volume of pedestrians on the PSP, (especially the Freeway paths), can make constant bell ringing impractical and in these circumstances one can argue that pedestrians should expect to be passed on a regular basis by bicycles on such a busy stretch. I guess it all boils down to time, place and circumstances.

Don't get me started on the whole 'keep left' thing with pedestrians. I know there are those who argue that it is perfectly fine for pedestrians to walk on the right side of the path so that, (as more vulnerable people), they can see faster moving traffic, such as cyclists approaching but I think it is just a lot safer and easier of everyone is moving in the same direction.

For example: riding under the My Henry Bridge once I approached two lovely, older ladies walking two abreast on the right hand side of the path. As I approached they smiled broadly and despite my annoyance I replied with a friendly greeting. I could see a cyclist approaching from behind them so I was forced to stop in their path. They were also forced to stop and were standing there wondering what I was waiting for. They then stepped out and around me, despite my warning, straight into the path of the unfortunate cyclist who was luckily able to stop and avoid them. My point is had they been walking on the left I would have proceeded on unimpeded and the oncoming cyclist would only have needed to slow down for several seconds whilst I passed and then been around them and on his way. Nice and easy and no confusion.

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby WarbyD » Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:23 pm

Agree entirely that it is safer for everyone if all path users keep left

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby maestro » Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:38 pm

WarbyD wrote:Agree entirely that it is safer for everyone if all path users keep left

I'm not sure if it's specified in the legislation, but from the current NSW road users handbook, page 52 - under "Safety Tips For Pedestrians" it says "Keep to the left side on shared bicycle / pedestrian paths."

Although I believe that some confusion arises from the legislation requiring that pedestrians walk on the *right* hand side when walking on the road. That same page says "Pedestrians must use footpaths and nature strips where they are provided. Where this is impractical pedestrians must keep to the side of the road and walk in the direction that faces oncoming traffic."
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby MisuVir » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:07 pm

maestro wrote:That same page says "Pedestrians must use footpaths and nature strips where they are provided. Where this is impractical pedestrians must keep to the side of the road and walk in the direction that faces oncoming traffic."


I once encountered a gentleman jogging backwards on a shared path. I was unsure which side of the path he should have been on.

Since when is jogging backwards a thing?
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby cp123 » Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:12 pm

when you're an AFL umpire. My brother used to be one and they had to be pretty quick at going backwards as they had to have eyes on the ball at all times. Often they collided with players while everyone had eyes on the ball and toppled over backwards.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby wizardhat » Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:17 pm

Is it too much to ask for dogs to be on a leash?



I'm glad I wasn't going that fast as it's a boardwalk/shared area - I could have killed that dog.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jasonc » Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:38 pm

wizardhat wrote:I'm glad I wasn't going that fast as it's a boardwalk/shared area - I could have killed that dog.

did you go back and finish the job?

btw - the video made it look quite quick
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby wizardhat » Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:41 pm

It was 15 or so kmph. I stopped and checked the dog was okay and chewed out the owner.

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby human909 » Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:47 pm

I'm posting this not to vent about a dumb cyclist. But simply to share today's experience that left me a little shaken. I was driving my car today and almost collided with a cyclist at a decently high speed. I won't be forgetting this near miss in a hurry. :evil:


There was stopped traffic on my right and me rolling up at ~30kph up to the lights in the empty left hand lane. Lights go green so I accelerate, the front car of the queue 20m ahead is moving off a second or two passes....

Unbeknownst to me a silly cyclist is crossing the road and has weaved in-between the accelerating first car and second 4WD which has to wait. So now I'm at 40kph and see a cyclists a dozen metres ahead about to ride across the lane I am travelling. :shock: I slam on the brakes. Cyclists must have braked a little and swerved as he ended up crossing behind my car. I sat shaking my head for several moments in my car starring at the cyclist who continued on his merry way and only briefly glanced back.

This cyclists was riding a Surly Long Haul Trucker. Whoever you are I hope you avoid riding blindly into across roads in the future.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Lukeyboy » Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:37 pm

Lucky it didn't go in between your spokes. Would have cut the poor thing in half.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby ColinOldnCranky » Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:10 pm

Perth:

The cyclist mostly in black on the fast machine that flew past me thru the Murray Street mall in a westerly direction about 5:30 this evening. Slicing and cutting into whatever minimal space available. 20 to 30kph and pushing the pedals all the time. Pedestrians everywhere.

If you are on this forum mate then - seriously and with no apologies - you are an arrogant, dangerous and selfish #&%^#&$#. Break a fork buddy. :evil:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jules21 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:31 am

so this morning i rode in to work with my wife, who almost cut in front of another cyclist at a shared path intersection with poor visibility. he gave her an absolute blast and as i was waiting behind her yelled out "stupid woman", to which he replied something unprintable. geez mate i was trying to take your side :roll: :lol:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Summernight » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:46 am

jules21 wrote:so this morning i rode in to work with my wife, who almost cut in front of another cyclist at a shared path intersection with poor visibility. he gave her an absolute blast and as i was waiting behind her yelled out "stupid woman", to which he replied something unprintable. geez mate i was trying to take your side :roll: :lol:


Maybe not the 'best' thing to say to your wife. :oops:

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jules21 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:50 am

Summernight wrote:Maybe not the 'best' thing to say to your wife. :oops:

:wink:

she knows i was joking ;)

hopefully the bloke went away confused - why did he swear at me? :)
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby wexford » Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:07 pm

Well, I can't say that I'm proud of this outcome, but I'm certainly (relatively) pleased with it.

I've had two recent instances of peds lurching into my path without warning, both resulting in injuries to me. These came about when I tried to avoid the ped and wound up hitting something much more stationary and denser (in terms of mass, not mental agility), whereupon I decided on a new policy of "if you can't avoid them, hit them head on". While making effort to brake, of course.

Cue this afternoon's commute and a ped stepping out on to the street from a crowd of people patiently waiting for the red man to switch to the green man, as I was rounding the corner from "behind" the crossing point. Not even a look, she just waltzed right on out. I had time to holler something like "heyyAHHH" and consider my options ever so briefly, being:

(1) try to lay the bike over further into the corner whilst already braking, risking a low side crash
(2) hit the ped directly, with as much speed shaved off as possible
(3) abandon the turn, and cross to the other side of the road where I might be hit by an oncoming car (the one that would probably otherwise hit the ped!)

I chose option 2, and thankfully the impact wasn't particularly hard as we both remained upright. I've got a sore forearm which was probably from her holding up her arms defensively or something. I asked what was wrong with her, at which point she tried to blame me and I was going too fast (about 20km/h into a corner in a 50 zone) and she didn't know I was there etc. I pointed out the "No crossing" sign and suggested that if she was going to ignore red lights she might at least consider looking for traffic before walking out into it. Cue muttering to herself as she made her way across the rest of the road while I shook my head and gathered my wits.

So, there's a safety tip for you. Holding your line/cornering and focusing on losing as much speed as possible is better, in my opinion, than desperately trying to avoid an impact, and losing control (including braking ability) of the bike. With the caveat, of course, of riding to conditions, being alert and avoiding ped/cyclist conflict in the first place. But if there's almost zero warning like this, then consider this option.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby ColinOldnCranky » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:21 pm

Perth:

Hmmm.Where do I start?

FIRST:

Well, first, five minutes into the ride and two minutes onto the shared path and a pair of riders are climbing the incline in a southerly direction thru the blind underpass just south of Bull Creek staion - the one at the bottom of a steepish stepped sloe that many north riding riders take somewhat too fast. The pair have cintinued to ride side by side which means one is over the line. Riders heading to Perth will almost NEVER be right across tothe left and I would not expect them to be. A disaster ready to happen. NOt out of malice or disregard, just not thinking.

SECOND:

Next, I'm crossing eastwards on Canning Bridge toward the Como freeway path and a rider matching the visual stereotype of MAMIl is climbing westward. Trouble is he peers over his right shoulder for some reason and starts then to slow and to veer right across to my side. His skills are obviuously not up to what looks like a niece flash CF or ally bike and his team gear.

While I am well in front of him. Butr another rider is also heading east and sees this guy in the few meters that the MAMIl takes to get right over to the bridge side. At whichthe innocent rider has by not sharly heade to and pretty much slowed to nothing. I assume that they had some head contact as the MAMIL looses a lense of his sunnies before managing to separate and then check if the other guy is OK. Remarkably the other guy got his wits about him and then continued - thing, I imagine, what is a fool like that even doing outside let alone on a vehiicle of any sort.

I put it down to a rider not close to aware of his very poor riding skills - he really did lose shape ona simple check over the right should while ina slight upward incline.

THIRD:

A cluster of individual riders passing me and each other in a three abreast tangle (counting me as one) at varying speeds over that lovely spot that has been marked for attention to the lumpy roots between the sea scouts and Canning Bridge. I came across one rider knocked out there last year and I am sure that it is serious black spot with more than that to its credit.

If one of those riders had lost a bit of shape due to the roots (if yo know the path you know what I mean) then there may have been some serious personal damage. There is also a river wall there, another hazard when losing shape.

To make it worse there were a couple of riders coming towards us. While far enough away that the passing riders would have cut back in before a collision, in losing shape all bets on that would have been off.

Pls people, know your route and stay smart. I am seeing a lot more bad choices these days than, say, a year ago.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby wellington_street » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:47 pm

Which intersection was this at wexford? I often have problems with stupid pedestrians doing the same at William/Roe and William/Murray. On this evening's ride home, I turned into a quietish street near home and two pedestrians were heads down in the iphones, trundling slowly across the road without so much as a glance to see if there was any traffic. Lucky for them I was on a bike, not a car.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby wellington_street » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:50 pm

On this evening's commute, a lovely young lady in plain clothes pulled out of the RAC building and heading west along the Fremantle PSP through CityWest. Unfortunately she wasn't as good at riding as she was at looking and decided to overtake some pedestrians very slowly into an oncoming informal bunch of riders. Pleasingly for me, she copped a short "get over!" from the female rider at the front of the bunch.

As for the rest of the trip, I just can't understand the mentality which makes riders try to overtake right as two cyclists or peds are passing each other. It's a couple of seconds, max, to wait and pass, but these morons insist on splitting through the middle.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby wexford » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:41 pm

wellington_street wrote:Which intersection was this at wexford? I often have problems with stupid pedestrians doing the same at William/Roe and William/Murray. On this evening's ride home, I turned into a quietish street near home and two pedestrians were heads down in the iphones, trundling slowly across the road without so much as a glance to see if there was any traffic. Lucky for them I was on a bike, not a car.


This is in Subi, bottom of Rokeby Road (northbound) turning left onto the little dog leg into Station St. The woman was crossing between San Churros and Wagamama. Peds are always crossing there against the lights - once in my car I came around the corner and nearly cleaned up a woman pushing a pram! You really need to go slow through there and assume everyone is an idiot.

It's actually not dissimilar to the intersections you mentioned. People just don't look behind them and cross against the lights, then get stroppy if someone nearly hits them and draws their silliness to their attention!
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby wexford » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:47 pm

Colin, I'm an occasional Kwinana Fwy PSP user when I do the "long commute" around the river and the number of two- or three-abreast groups heading south is scary.

I'm reasonably quick on a good day and have come upon a number of two-abreast groups citybound as well. This gets annoying because I'd be an idiot to pass them with all the traffic, and yet they're a bit slow and taking up the entire lane. Such a shame when there's a lovely sou' easterly like this morning, what a waste!

Bring on the PSP widening...and some enforcement of the rules.

I'm curious, on your unicycle do you get the willies with fast guys doing blast-pasts? I make an effort to call out "on your right" as I approach others, but I still wonder if I'm making people uncomfortable when I'm moving pretty quickly.
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Postby CXCommuter » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:13 pm

First time for me riding along Riverside Drive from the causeway since the construction site started. The idiot on the white alloy roadie in front of me I wish I had more details to post. When riding along a busy shared pathway such as Riverside Drive why ride at 45+km/h veering around cyclists, into oncoming cyclists and shaving all asunder just to get ahead and save a few seconds, then run the red at Barrack street delaying vehicles with the right of way- you are in vital need of a groinal lobotomy. I actually apologised to people for the state you left them in after shaving them so close.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby ColinOldnCranky » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:48 pm

wexford wrote:I'm curious, on your unicycle do you get the willies with fast guys doing blast-pasts? I make an effort to call out "on your right" as I approach others, but I still wonder if I'm making people uncomfortable when I'm moving pretty quickly.

Not in the least. But I do get concerned with those who, unintentionally and not deliberately, flash past a shoulder width away. Even occasionally actually brushing me. But the same would concern me if I was on a regular bike too.

Only for safety reasons. I came across three unconscious riders last year, another rider making a silly action who took me out which cost me an appliance and some injury and I heard a clip stack in a group of riders that past me the opposite direction once which was almost certainly serious. All in the one year!

This morning on Canning Bridge, while not likely to have resulted in serious injury, I witnessed my first ride-to-rider contact for 2014 and we are only just into the second month! Combination of incompetence and losing focus. It seems to me that of late there are really an increasing number of dills, of people making rare but dangerous silly choices and of incompetent riders.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby duncan16v » Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:53 am

Combination of incompetence and losing focus. It seems to me that of late there are really an increasing number of dills, of people making rare but dangerous silly choices and of incompetent riders.[/quote]

+1 Seeing quite a bit of it in Melbourne, too. I had to ride into the city last week during afternoon peak on the Main Yarra Trail from Burnley. It was a suicide mission with the testosterone-oozing MGIFs making it seriously dangerous - I counted 6 in a 4km stretch. I particularly enjoy the guys who overtake on a blind corner.

I have to ride into the city tomorrow evening too. Absolutely dreading it.
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