The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby tekapo » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:30 pm

Saw a guy "practising" his track stand on a geared bike, the problem was that he was at the intersection of Warrigal (6 lanes) and Dandenong Road (8 lanes) in peak hour. He started out well, but then drifted (probably) 2m forward and getting almighty close to the right turning traffic from the other side. He then took off just before the light went green.

Seriously, just unclip and put the foot down......... (I assumed that he was clipped, I was at the ped crossing on the diagonal corner so can't see that clearly.)
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby zero » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:05 pm

wellington_street wrote:
zero wrote:I don't know how anyone thinks its reasonable to perform a right turn by left passing everyone and then planting yourself in front of the right lane queue. Even if the lights do stay red whilst you do that, it is not a reasonable thing to do, and if bike boxes are encouraging that then they are no good.


Why isn't it reasonable? It's far less intimidating than claiming the right lane and can be done perfectly safely when used properly.



I'd view pulling past 10 people intending to go straight and making them wait whilst you turn is inherently impolite, and misses whatever transport efficiency point cyclists would achieve. It even penalises me, the cyclist that waited in the queue. Even if its a 1 way street, I'd still expect to have to give way to many pedestrians when turning. I get the shits with drivers that overtake me and then force me to stop whilst they parallel park, and this scenario is extremely similar to that, just the roles reversed.

it is also mildly dangerous (danger proportional to motor vehicle mass) to cross the first unpredictable row of traffic to get into a bike box in front of them, and always will be and doubling down by crossing extra lanes doesn't help.

They aren't and have never been a great solution to anything - if the cycling traffic builds up at all they then fail to extract all the cyclists from alongside the turning vehicles.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jasonc » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:07 pm

Me - I blew a red light this afternoon whilst I was tracking traffic coming from the other direction.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby wellington_street » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:32 pm

zero wrote:I'd view pulling past 10 people intending to go straight and making them wait whilst you turn is inherently impolite, and misses whatever transport efficiency point cyclists would achieve.


I don't understand what you mean here, can you rephrase it? Proper use of a bike box won't block anyone, other than the miniscule delay while cyclists turn right, and then get overtaken.


zero wrote:It even penalises me, the cyclist that waited in the queue. Even if its a 1 way street, I'd still expect to have to give way to many pedestrians when turning. I get the shits with drivers that overtake me and then force me to stop whilst they parallel park, and this scenario is extremely similar to that, just the roles reversed.


Not really - if there's a cycle lane and bike box which you choose not use, you're not being penalised if you are decided to wait in traffic instead. Not sure what giving way to pedestrians has to do with bike boxes - that's part of turning at any intersection.

zero wrote:it is also mildly dangerous (danger proportional to motor vehicle mass) to cross the first unpredictable row of traffic to get into a bike box in front of them, and always will be and doubling down by crossing extra lanes doesn't help.


How is moving in front of stationary vehicles at a red light any more dangerous than any other activity on the road?

zero wrote:They aren't and have never been a great solution to anything - if the cycling traffic builds up at all they then fail to extract all the cyclists from alongside the turning vehicles.


They are not a silver bullet but they are very useful. Nothing other than a separate phase for cyclists will fully remove conflicts between left turning vehicles and through cyclists.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby human909 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:17 am

zero wrote:
wellington_street wrote:
zero wrote:I don't know how anyone thinks its reasonable to perform a right turn by left passing everyone and then planting yourself in front of the right lane queue. Even if the lights do stay red whilst you do that, it is not a reasonable thing to do, and if bike boxes are encouraging that then they are no good.


Why isn't it reasonable? It's far less intimidating than claiming the right lane and can be done perfectly safely when used properly.

I'd view pulling past 10 people intending to go straight and making them wait whilst you turn is inherently impolite, and misses whatever transport efficiency point cyclists would achieve. It even penalises me, the cyclist that waited in the queue.


I agree with zero. This is one of the few circumstances when I don't see a fair justification for cyclists to "jump the queue". Personally If I want to turn right and there is a huge queue then I believe that it is more polite and just as easy to perform a hook turn.

I'm not going to condemn cyclists for doing this. But it is not something I would generally do.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby bychosis » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:23 am

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Biffidus » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:47 pm

human909 wrote:I agree with zero. This is one of the few circumstances when I don't see a fair justification for cyclists to "jump the queue". Personally If I want to turn right and there is a huge queue then I believe that it is more polite and just as easy to perform a hook turn.


You can't easily perform a hook turn easily in this intersection. There's two lanes of traffic turning left and no traffic going straight as it is a t-junction. If you want to turn right you can either use the bike box, dismount and use the pedestrian crossing or wait in the right lane with traffic.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby il padrone » Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:31 pm

zero wrote:If they intend on a sidelane with a bike box, then they need to really work on training hook turns, and moving all of the infrastructure around so that there is a safe place for hook turners to collect, and then they can limit the amount of time given to drivers to turn left, and they can physically place an obstacle between the cyclists and left turners, so that its not possible to crush a cyclist obeying a red signal.


Pretty much what the newer Dutch intersection treatments with bike lanes do

http://goo.gl/maps/9ALCp


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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Percrime » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:01 am

bychosis wrote:How to win friends and influence people.
Oncoming cyclist: "Point your light down d@#head" My response, not that he'd heard: "Have a nice day". What I wanted to do was put my light on high beam (it was on low) and point it in his eyes.
If it had been: "Can you dip you light mate?" My response would have been "Sorry, didn't realise it was too high" and dip the light, then take note of where it was pointed for future reference etc.


Maybe its just me .. but I really hate being blinded at 25 kph with someone going the other way and my night vision gone for the next 10 minutes. Who are you inferring is the dumb cyclist here?
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby bychosis » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:07 am

I'll cop that my light was probably pointed a bit high. For more than a few other riders approaching I have used my hand to shield my light (mostly in pitch darkness). On this occasion it was just after dawn so there was other ambient light and I was not aware my light was pointing too high. Dumb other rider because if you want to encourage others to do the right thing being a jerk is not the best way. It just reinforced the arrogant lycra warrior stereotype.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Percrime » Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:39 am

Hmmmmmmmm.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby il padrone » Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:04 pm

Doesn't matter much whether it's in darkness or after dawn, a light aimed in your eyes is pretty blinding. A very anti-social aspect of the current lumens race with no thought for good optic design.

Lighting up the overhead branches and dazzling oncoming riders and drivers does zip for your safety on the roads or paths.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby trailgumby » Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:07 pm

Me, this morning. Mona Vale Road westbound, coming to the end of that short pinch before the road returns to suburbia.

Went to point to a group of sticks out to the guys behind me who wereparticipating in the Bobbin Head Classic, and almost wobbled into them myself :x
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Mulger bill » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:02 pm

trailgumby wrote:Went to point to a group of sticks out to the guys behind me who wereparticipating in the Bobbin Head Classic, and almost wobbled into them myself :x


If you move your gripping hand onto the tops, as close to the stem as possible it should redce the chance of this recurring.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby biker jk » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:06 pm

trailgumby wrote:Me, this morning. Mona Vale Road westbound, coming to the end of that short pinch before the road returns to suburbia.

Went to point to a group of sticks out to the guys behind me who wereparticipating in the Bobbin Head Classic, and almost wobbled into them myself :x


The shoulder on that pinch is very narrow and there is fast moving traffic so I would suggest you leave both hands on the bars and just call "stick left/right".
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby biker jk » Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:04 am

Cyclist on Oxford St, Sydney this morning rides through red light, oblivious to the motorcycle policeman in the right hand lane who promptly pulls her over.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jasonc » Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:25 am

biker jk wrote:Cyclist on Oxford St, Sydney this morning rides through red light, oblivious to the motorcycle policeman in the right hand lane who promptly pulls her over.


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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Mulger bill » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:12 pm

biker jk wrote:Cyclist on Oxford St, Sydney this morning rides through red light, oblivious to the motorcycle policeman in the right hand lane who promptly pulls her over.

More please Mr Plod. Help shut up the "Nurrr, rego" dills.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby duncanm » Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:17 pm

zero wrote:I don't know how anyone thinks its reasonable to perform a right turn by left passing everyone and then planting yourself in front of the right lane queue. Even if the lights do stay red whilst you do that, it is not a reasonable thing to do, and if bike boxes are encouraging that then they are no good.


Again .. it depends on the situation.

One of my regular commute routes has a two-lane rat run, right turn from right lane only, into a 3-lane highway/major road. The opposing traffic is more often than not 0-1 cars. The light sequence is long, since its a minor road into a major one.

I left-pass the (usually long) queue and park myself in front of the right lane. When the light goes green, I pull all the way into the intersection, and turn into the leftmost lane after the turn. The car behind is held up for no more than 1-2s at most, as they can overtake me basically in the turn if there's no oncoming traffic, and have to wait for any oncoming cars otherwise.

There's often motorbikes who do exactly the same thing, and I don't see the difference in this situation, nor the problem.

edited: unless I've misquoted/understood you, and you're only commenting on the right turn in front of traffic which was going to go straight. In which case, ignore the above.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby CXCommuter » Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:30 pm

I nominate the stuffwit today who pushed in front of me on a Roadie at a set of lights, ran the lights and the next four sets after that, did not indicate once his intentions to drivers when changing lanes or turning, treated it all as a race (ie constantly looking over his shoulder at me, sprinting out of the saddle and trying so hard he couldn't keep a straight line annoying drivers, funny thing was by the time he turned off he had made a grand total of 50m on me and I had barely raised a sweat.
After he ran one of the set of lights a passenger in a car next to me was pointing the guy out and caught my attention- we both shook our head at this guys idiocy. I hope this one person realises that other cyclists also dislike the behaviour.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby alexander » Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:17 am

^ cavendish commuter. :roll:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby biker jk » Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:30 am

The two dumb cyclists who ran the red light at the corner of Oxford St and Glenmore Rd Paddington this morning. I was turning right from Glenmore Rd into Oxford St and given the regularity of red light runners here I always check left to see what's coming down the hill. Funnily enough when I yelled "red light" at the cyclists running the red they pretended not to hear anything. Mind you, since they're often wired for sound, that could be the reason. Morons.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby g-boaf » Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:32 am

biker jk wrote:Cyclist on Oxford St, Sydney this morning rides through red light, oblivious to the motorcycle policeman in the right hand lane who promptly pulls her over.


Was she on a trendy bike, and not wearing a helmet? ;)

I'll nominate the dumb cyclist as the one near Wallgrove Road last night who nearly collected me head on (he was in the wrong lane). Fortunately I was going slowly - but the incident scared the heck out of me. :(

And second lot, the Police on a cycleway the other week riding two-abreast. The one coming head-on towards me in my lane turned to talk to his colleague and wobbled all over the place. With flat-bars, they ought to be keeping single-file - especially when a bike is coming towards them. Fortunately he realised when I shouted out "bike ahead".
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jasonc » Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:47 am

g-boaf wrote:And second lot, the Police on a cycleway the other week riding two-abreast. The one coming head-on towards me in my lane turned to talk to his colleague and wobbled all over the place. With flat-bars, they ought to be keeping single-file - especially when a bike is coming towards them. Fortunately he realised when I shouted out "bike ahead".


need to air zound those MOFOs :mrgreen:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby elantra » Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:26 am

Pedestrian thinks it is a good idea to walk across the road with his four-legged friend.
Four-legs gets to the middle of the road and suddenly stops and does a big dump.
Meanwhile 2 cars come around the corner and have to pull up and wait for the job to finish.
Dog completes the road crossing as if nothing had happened.
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