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Re: Cyclist killed on Sydney's M4 motorway this morning

Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:31 pm
by ruscook
brendancg wrote:....Finally
How about we let the police do there investigation here. I know the investigators they are very thorough.

Good point Brendan, this has tended to degenerate too much into hypotheticals or blaming without all the facts being available.

Re: Cyclist killed on Sydney's M4 motorway this morning

Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:32 pm
by Boognoss
Very well said Brendan. Agree with all of your points, esp the final one.

And on that note I think that all has said that can be at this stage until the police complete their investigation. I think this thread has run it's course, and now is a good time for it to be locked.

Re: Cyclist killed on Sydney's M4 motorway this morning

Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:58 pm
by Boognoss
Unlocked thread. Let's try and keep it civil, lest it be locked again.

News to hand where the truck driver was charged with manslaughter - http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/man-charged-over-cyclists-death-20100922-15n3i.html

Reading the article, it appears that the time of 7.40pm should have been 7.40am?

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:16 pm
by lethoso
police media release - http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/lates ... YWxsPTE%3D

good to see they're throwing the book at him.

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:53 pm
by Uncle Grumpy
On top of manslaughter, those are such serious charges, driving under the influence of a prohibited drug and self administering drug etc. (in the case of the M4 incident)

It's sad that a life was lost to get this numbskull off the road.

Like many of us, I also drive a car and I have a spouse that drives a car which is more than likely to contain our kids as well. I'm glad that guy is off the road. His actions are deplorable, to be on some prohibited substance and driving a truck, bloody hell. It upsets me to think that whilst the justice system will deal with him, there are many more out there doing the same thing.

A few months back I was "up bush" for a funeral. Dad and I stopped at a truck stop to fuel up and grab a stretch and a bite. I watched a truckie walk out, over to his semi, throw a pill (or 2, dunno) down his throat. They may have been Panadol or vitamins for all I know. But he chugged a bottle of V, then cracked the lid off a second and downed it. Swung himself up and into the cab, fired up 600hp of Perkins diesel and hit the road. I know long haul truckies have it hard, but gees. You wonder why things go pear shaped on the roads with heavy vehicles.

Grumps

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:08 am
by il padrone
What are the odds that two alleged criminal freight-hoons should both live in this place Colyton ?

A place to avoid on my next cycle-tour I'd say

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:12 am
by zozza
il padrone wrote:What are the odds that two alleged criminal freight-hoons should both live in this place Colyton ?

A place to avoid on my next cycle-tour I'd say


Is it true that both drivers worked for the same Soil supply co.in South Penrith?????
I could be wrong but maybe the employer should also be held accountable?

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:26 am
by msn
Good to see the result on the on the police media release. Just got to hope that the other side of the justice system recognises the hard work put in by the police and applies appropriate sentences.

zozza wrote:Is it true that both drivers worked for the same Soil supply co.in South Penrith?????

There were some comments posted a while back about both drivers possibly being from the same company.
An comment from a work colleague when this first happened, was not favourable in general to the attitude of that organisation.
I wonder if there will be any possible action against others there.

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:28 am
by wombatK
il padrone wrote:What are the odds that two alleged criminal freight-hoons should both live in this place Colyton ?

A place to avoid on my next cycle-tour I'd say

+1 to zozzas comment. Yes it was South Penrith Sands.

I think where they work was far more significant - surprising that no charges were laid against the company that allowed the second driver to work more than 12 hours in 24.

A conviction against the drivers would be nice to see, but so too would action against the company that harbored if not promoted that kind of driving

Cheers

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:41 am
by scotto
wombatK wrote:
il padrone wrote:What are the odds that two alleged criminal freight-hoons should both live in this place Colyton ?

A place to avoid on my next cycle-tour I'd say

+1 to zozzas comment. Yes it was South Penrith Sands.

I think where they work was far more significant - surprising that no charges were laid against the company that allowed the second driver to work more than 12 hours in 24.

A conviction against the drivers would be nice to see, but so too would action against the company that harbored if not promoted that kind of driving

Cheers

i think the company should be held to some accountability. its a bit like those 4 poeple that dies putting in roof insulation. it wasnt really peter garretts fault, but the companies that employed them and failed to educate and monitor them with regards to their safety.
if the trucking compaines were held accountable, things like in house drug testing, gps monitoring etc would make the roads safer. as it is, having their drivers flout the rules only makes their business more profitable for no risk to the company...

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:09 am
by The Womble
Dont feel sorry for Long Haul truck drivers. They do very well in the hip pocket. The hours they drive ARE their choice, trust me

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:13 am
by The Womble
The Womble wrote:Dont feel sorry for Long Haul truck drivers. They do very well in the hip pocket. The hours they drive ARE their choice, trust me

I should elaborate. They dont choose the time frames from A to B, but they do choose to do those hours for the potential earnings for getting it done.
There are plenty of driving jobs out there that pay well, but these clowns are as greedy as the companies they drive for

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:44 am
by wombatK
The Womble wrote:There are plenty of driving jobs out there that pay well, but these clowns are as greedy as the companies they drive for

Yes, but so far action is only being taken against the clowns and not the company. Tells other companies who might be playing the same game to keep at it.

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:47 am
by The Womble
Problem is that while they do target the companies, it happens maybe twice a year. Cowboys see that as a red flag

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:15 am
by msn
Listening to the news, appears there are further ongoing investigations into the company as a whole. Also here.

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:22 am
by Uncle Grumpy
Workcover were investigating the company, which is a sand/soil company. I understand that their fleet of trucks was ordered off the road and Workcover went over the vehicles, and through the companies procedures.

That's about all I know, not sure about what happened with action against them though that may still be pending and wrapped up as part of the charges against the drivers.

I did have a contact at Workcover but he's since left for better things.

Grumps

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:35 am
by hannos
I hope the judge that gets this case is a cyclist.

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:55 am
by jules21
Uncle Grumpy wrote:Workcover were investigating the company, which is a sand/soil company. I understand that their fleet of trucks was ordered off the road and Workcover went over the vehicles, and through the companies procedures.

they're more likely to be investigated by police and transport officers for breaches of maximum allowable driving hours. a lot of truck crashes are caused by fatigued drivers. that's also something the company directors have particular responsibility for, not just the drivers.

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:11 am
by Nate
Company has responsibility - probably refer to the court case of the cyclist courriers.

They have a duty to ensure they're drivers are responsible etc

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:13 am
by r2160
At some point, an example has to be made to deter other road users of similar behaviour.

I noticed in the article that the driver was also charged with having drugs in his system. I wonder what those were?

cheers
Glenn

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:23 am
by il padrone
Amphetamines no doubt. Goes with the culture really.

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:44 am
by jules21
il padrone wrote:Amphetamines no doubt. Goes with the culture really.

if he was on amphetamines, he was probably driving beyond his allowable hours. if he was doing that, he was doing it for the company, who would have likely approved his breaking the law. they are all liable in that circumstance and if that's what happened, i'd hope they all go down.

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:00 pm
by Uncle Grumpy
jules21 wrote:
Uncle Grumpy wrote:Workcover were investigating the company, which is a sand/soil company. I understand that their fleet of trucks was ordered off the road and Workcover went over the vehicles, and through the companies procedures.

they're more likely to be investigated by police and transport officers for breaches of maximum allowable driving hours. a lot of truck crashes are caused by fatigued drivers. that's also something the company directors have particular responsibility for, not just the drivers.


They would have been. But Workcover went through the companies procedures and drivers logs as well. WorkcoverNSW are the state government OH and S watchdog agency (for want of a better description). Whilst the company wouldn't condone the use of illicit drugs, they have a duty to ensure their workers are fit for work. That's where Workcover come into it. The Police and RTA would have been in the mix as well.

Worcover inspectors give expert evidence to the Courts in these matters.

Grumps

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:06 pm
by jules21
i think you're probably right, except:
Uncle Grumpy wrote:Whilst the company wouldn't condone the use of illicit drugs, they have a duty to ensure their workers are fit for work.

i don't share your confidence there. some companies would be quite happy about it, if it meant they could keep earning 24/7.

Re: Cyclist killed on M4 motorway - Update on driver charges

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:08 pm
by queequeg
South Penrith Sand and Soil is a family owned and run business.

Both drivers from Colyton.....maybe they're related.