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cameras?

Postby HPZ » Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:43 pm

Hi all

Can anyone please direct me to a thread re bike cameras. (Couldn't find one earlier).
I'm completely fed up copping abuse from moronic motorists and nearly getting killed on the road each time I ride.
Any recommendations on camera makes and models would be greatly appreciated.

thanks heaps
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Re: cameras?

Postby Nate » Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:28 pm

Depends on $$$

The two most popular Hi-Def (1080p) models would be the Contour HD & Go Pro --> Reccomend the Go Pro due to the HUGE amount of mounting options.
Think they're around $400?

If you want cheaper - then you can get a water "resistant" (fine on rainy days) for around $70-$120.

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I run the Otek camera with my mount & its a great picture WITH great audio (waterproof = no audio)
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Re: cameras?

Postby Oxford » Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:29 pm

try Nate's website for a start:

http://www.rigidmount.com/index.html

Some great info there on DVRs (digital video recorders) and software for editing.

Also try this thread:

http://www.bicycles.net.au/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=19584&p=272009&hilit=digital+video+camera#p272009

Edit, Nate arrived. :mrgreen:
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Re: cameras - the MiniDV MD91S

Postby ghop0man » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:56 pm

I ordered yesterday, and it arrived this morning by Express Post, the MiniDV also known as MD91S: http://www.idv.net.au/products/display/miniDV

I bought the handlebar mount and while the User Guide is very basic, with the help of the images in the User Guide on the mini CD, I set it up, did a 15 min ride and believe I got value for money.

The advantage is: i.) the small size, smaller than my index finger in height and ii.)the waterproof/dustproof container, which is held by a screw from the handlebar mount, which provides protection for the camera.
Includes an insane number of attachments for different purposes.

Now to figure out what to capture, without booring my friends silly on the replay.
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Re: cameras?

Postby Laidlaym » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:07 pm

After a scare this week with a car passenger tryng to knock me off my bike I want a camera. I only commute 4k each way to the closest railway station (Eltham).

What's the mimimum specs for getting enough image detail, storage space (not likely to be an issue with short distance), handle bar mount with easy remove for security. Anything else I need to think about?

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Re: cameras?

Postby shaneo92 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:15 pm

I would get the Go-Pro for sure.

There are plenty of mounting options and I have used it riding motocross and when watching the footage Ive seen rocks hit it so it is definitely able to take a fair beating and it is waterproof.

I guess it comes down to what you want to spend, the picture quality you are after and durability.
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Re: cameras?

Postby mtb159 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:25 pm

Torpedo 7 have some decent cameras. I bought on not so long ago it does the job and looks fairly good. picked it up for only around $80 so its not the best but it works :D
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Re: cameras?

Postby Canned Tomatoes » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:28 pm

Laidlaym wrote:After a scare this week with a car passenger tryng to knock me off my bike I want a camera. I only commute 4k each way to the closest railway station (Eltham).
So basically tried to kill you?? Please tell me this is a fluke of an event...
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Re: cameras?

Postby Aushiker » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:47 pm

Hi

I am pretty happy so far with my Contour HD 1080P and I see now the that the Contour GPS can transmit to your smartphone. For me I only need helmet mount and bike mount so the Contour was fine. I guess if you have other plans then more mounting options would be important.

I am know considering a rear facing camera as well.

Oh if you want to see a Contour HD in action on the road in a normal commuting environment, check out the Cyclist from Croydon's videos.

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Re: cameras?

Postby Baalzamon » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:50 pm

Aushiker wrote:Hi

I am pretty happy so far with my Contour HD 1080P and I see now the that the Contour GPS can transmit to your smartphone. For me I only need helmet mount and bike mount so the Contour was fine. I guess if you have other plans then more mounting options would be important.

I am know considering a rear facing camera as well.

Oh if you want to see a Contour HD in action on the road in a normal commuting environment, check out the Cyclist from Croydon's videos.

Regards
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I wouldn't mind trying that feature when they update the software/firmware for the camera. Mind you means I need an iPhone 3gs mount for my bike....
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Re: cameras?

Postby trailgumby » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:18 pm

Baalzamon wrote:
Aushiker wrote:I am know considering a rear facing camera as well.

Oh if you want to see a Contour HD in action on the road in a normal commuting environment, check out the Cyclist from Croydon's videos.

Regards
Andrew

I wouldn't mind trying that feature when they update the software/firmware for the camera. Mind you means I need an iPhone 3gs mount for my bike....


Are you planning on watching while you ride? :lol: :wink:
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Re: cameras?

Postby Oxford » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:33 pm

Using the T-7 Camshot Cameras I've collected the following footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip22wCRx9NY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdgdpyYC2Wg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMnFXm_HOas

Using Mini DVR MD80s (get them from eBay for about $20 each) I've collected the following footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmZKHjxOZAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wdNMlZqo-I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAbevEpRD9A

It depends on what you are willing to spend and what results you want, I find these satifactory for my needs.
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Re: cameras?

Postby Baalzamon » Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:53 am

trailgumby wrote:
Baalzamon wrote:
Aushiker wrote:I am know considering a rear facing camera as well.

Oh if you want to see a Contour HD in action on the road in a normal commuting environment, check out the Cyclist from Croydon's videos.

Regards
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I wouldn't mind trying that feature when they update the software/firmware for the camera. Mind you means I need an iPhone 3gs mount for my bike....


Are you planning on watching while you ride? :lol: :wink:


It will make sure I'm shooting what I want it to shoot, however I would need to buy a Contour ConnectView accessory card all thanks to Apple....
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Re: cameras?

Postby Max » Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:58 am

Aushiker wrote:Oh if you want to see a Contour HD in action on the road in a normal commuting environment, check out the Cyclist from Croydon's videos.


I think the Croydon Cyclist doth protest too much. Does he seem a little oversensitive to anyone else? Or have I lowered my expectations of motorists so much that his complaints seem like overreactions? Or is it just that the footage doesn't convey just how dangerous the actual situation was?

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Re: cameras?

Postby trailgumby » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:27 am

Baalzamon wrote:It will make sure I'm shooting what I want it to shoot, however I would need to buy a Contour ConnectView accessory card all thanks to Apple....

Sure, but you don't actually need a bar mount for your phone to do that. Just check at the start by looking where you normally do, lift the phone into your field of view to confirm. aim lines up and then put it in your pocket. Looking at the phone on th bars whle riding wouldn't work that well, i'd have thought.
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Re: cameras?

Postby Nate » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:48 am

Laidlaym wrote:What's the mimimum specs for getting enough image detail, storage space (not likely to be an issue with short distance), handle bar mount with easy remove for security. Anything else I need to think about?
Mark


Its not that simple unfortunately...
as a rough guide i'd be looking 720p with about 8Gb of storage & weather "resistant" (for rainy days)
(of course i'd re-reccomend my mounts - 1 bolt & its off in <5sec)

As we discussed in the $10 camera thread, a huge number of cameras use the same internals anyway!
There is however different optics & processing chips which give HUGELY different results.

Night time performance seems to vary the most between similar specs
Look at these two - both 720p, similar lens specs (F3.2) on the camera module:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow968J146_I&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0KOA5aLK3o&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Also the mounting is HUGELY critical, if not the most important link in a bike mounted camera.
You can have all the resolution you want, but if you're getting 1080p of blurry shaky pixels - whats the use?
You need to get a "proven" system where you can see results in the conditions.
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Re: cameras?

Postby Oxford » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:55 am

Max, sometimes the video footage doesn't convey the circumstances I find. the video and what actually happened in your own mind can be different, but that is the emotional overlay your mind adds to the situation, the video is very unemotional. so while at the time you feel very threatened, the video may not suggesst that. its like my videos the one in December, I felt threatened, but then looking at the video it didn't look so bad, but the police are still going to act on it anyway given that it is in conjuction with the June offences.

with regard to that guy, personally now I try not to interact with the drivers unless they initiate, I prefer to just let the bike talk by getting ahead of them in traffic (that's enough to upset most idiots) or if it was a life threatening issue and I mean really life threatening and what I consider to be malicious, then I let the police do the work for me, its their job to prosecute not mine, I just provide the means.

the main use of my video is as a means of protection for me from malicious behaviour by motorists. it can also be entertaining at times.
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Re: cameras - the MiniDV MD91S

Postby Nate » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:59 am

ghop0man wrote:I ordered yesterday, and it arrived this morning by Express Post, the MiniDV also known as MD91S: http://www.idv.net.au/products/display/miniDV


Not a bad little product - it looks like its the same setup as the "torch/lipstick" camera i tested for UNSW ( http://www.rigidmount.com/university.html ), which has almost identical internals to Phils $10 camera (different processing chip, same camera module).
Same res, same MJPEG output, date/time overlay & very similar performance it seems.

You can typically get these for <$70 from china, the one i tested was $35 + postage (about $60 all up i think).
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Re: cameras?

Postby jules21 » Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:06 am

nate, do you know where that eagle eye HD camera can be bought? i can find it here, but it doesn't have a purchase facility. it's difficult to find on the web, as there are a range of cctv cameras with the same name.
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Re: cameras?

Postby davidk » Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:54 am

jules21 wrote:nate, do you know where that eagle eye HD camera can be bought? i can find it here, but it doesn't have a purchase facility. it's difficult to find on the web, as there are a range of cctv cameras with the same name.


How about here: http://www.hootoo.com/1080p-hd-helmet-camcorder-extreme-hd119-p-82107.html
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Re: cameras?

Postby Nate » Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:38 pm

jules21 wrote:nate, do you know where that eagle eye HD camera can be bought? i can find it here, but it doesn't have a purchase facility. it's difficult to find on the web, as there are a range of cctv cameras with the same name.


I'll PM you 2 suppliers out of China i've used...

BUT!!!
its NOT even water resistant!!! i can let you know what to do etc to get it there, but unless you seal it up - no rain!
probably the least water resistant camera i've used - BIG fogging issues
Mine also hasnt been 100% reliable after it got water in it - its hung a few times, but dunno if its due to water ingress or dodgy product, either way i couldnt put my name to it & sell it.
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Re: cameras?

Postby Nate » Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:46 pm

REPLACEABLE BATTERIES!!!

One thing i've noticed on EVERY camera i've used: if it has replaceable batteries (Li-on pack types, AA's etc wouldnt be affected), then any bumps & vibrations make the batteries momentarily loose contact with the terminals & the cameras power off.
Happened on EVERY cam i've tried that uses a battery pack.

You need to put a little "chock" or spacer behind the batteries & stop them from vibrating so much, similar to the mods described here:
http://www.rigidmount.com/battery_modifications.html
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Re: cameras?

Postby jules21 » Sat Jan 08, 2011 2:06 pm

Nate wrote:BUT!!!
its NOT even water resistant!!! i can let you know what to do etc to get it there, but unless you seal it up - no rain!
probably the least water resistant camera i've used - BIG fogging issues
Mine also hasnt been 100% reliable after it got water in it - its hung a few times, but dunno if its due to water ingress or dodgy product, either way i couldnt put my name to it & sell it.

thanks nate. that contrasts a bit with the review on your site, which is pretty glowing. i assume you've had problems with it since you wrote the review?
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Re: cameras?

Postby Nate » Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:33 pm

jules21 wrote:thanks nate. that contrasts a bit with the review on your site, which is pretty glowing. i assume you've had problems with it since you wrote the review?


Correct - last stage was wet weather testing, had to wait for rain...
failure upon failure - i'll be updating the site soon :|
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Re: cameras?

Postby brit_in_oz » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:04 am

Is the 'Eagle eye' some sort of copy of the drift nnovations camera, looks damn close....??
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