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Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:41 pm
by Dan
I can't believe I've only now discovered this thread.

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Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:16 pm
by Summernight
At the BikeFest market at Birrarung Marr (Federation Square, Melbourne) today:

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I really wanted to hop on it and see how fast I could get it to go. Fortunately I restrained myself and merely took pictures of it as it trundled past at less than walking speed. :D

P.S. It is a 7 seater.

Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:20 pm
by jasonc
Dan wrote:I can't believe I've only now discovered this thread.

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I've seen one of those up coot-tha. looked/went like an e-bike

Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:41 pm
by Dan
Tis an ebike

Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:24 pm
by AKO
Summernight wrote:At the BikeFest market at Birrarung Marr (Federation Square, Melbourne) today:

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I really wanted to hop on it and see how fast I could get it to go. Fortunately I restrained myself and merely took pictures of it as it trundled past at less than walking speed. :D

P.S. It is a 7 seater.
would be very interesting on a shared path :lol:

Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:38 pm
by il padrone
That is an engineering wonder :roll:

But some of the riders seem to be missing a chain :?

Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:10 am
by jasonc
Dan wrote:Tis an ebike

so it is the one I've seen. I spent ages looking for it to post a pic in this thread and failed.

Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:33 pm
by Summernight
il padrone wrote:That is an engineering wonder :roll:

But some of the riders seem to be missing a chain :?

So it should be posted in the Bicycle of Wonder thread instead and not Ugly Bikes? :mrgreen:

From what I could see they all connected. Or at least the ones in use connected...

Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:06 pm
by find_bruce
If you only have 3 friends, this might be the bike for you
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Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:11 pm
by find_bruce
Or if you prefer more conventional ugly, how about the Ellsworth Commute
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Apparently it is exclusive, so don't delay, buy now

Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:13 pm
by il padrone
find_bruce wrote:If you only have 3 friends, this might be the bike for you

Ah, the ZEM (Zero Emmission Mobillity) from Swizterland.

At just $1000 it's a steal, probably would have cost $5,000 plus shipping from Switzerland. The manufacturers no longer seem to have a web-site, not a huge market for such a beast.

Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:40 pm
by Ken Ho
Dan wrote:I can't believe I've only now discovered this thread.

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that's not ugly, its neat.
tell me what you find ugly about that bike. it's a smooth aero design, lots of pannier room. not everything is a race ike, you know. maybe you take offence to he wheels, bu an e-bike has a lower normal spped than a good rider on a roadie, so aero just adds to the environmental soundness
maybe you take offence to all e-bikes, but if a tide of e-bikes engulfs our cities, we will all be safer.
it's blind conservatism like yours that holds the world back.

Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:46 pm
by Ken Ho
find_bruce wrote:Or if you prefer more conventional ugly, how about the Ellsworth Commute
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Apparently it is exclusive, so don't delay, buy now


here is another nice design.
how is this ugly ?
not a lot of adjustment range in the seat post, but certainly not ugly.

Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:54 pm
by Aushiker
Ken Ho wrote:it's blind conservatism like yours that holds the world back.


Dan posted the bike in the ugly bike thread and you react like this - talk about a long bow! I don't like the look of bike either ... does that mean I am anti e-bikes? No, it means I don't like the look of this bike.

People see beauty in different things ... time for some tolerance I would suggest.

Cheers
Andrew

Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:56 pm
by Aushiker
find_bruce wrote:Or if you prefer more conventional ugly, how about the Ellsworth Commute ... Apparently it is exclusive, so don't delay, buy now


Dosen't work for me either.

Andrew

Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:12 pm
by Dan
Ken Ho wrote:
Dan wrote:I can't believe I've only now discovered this thread.

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that's not ugly, its neat.
tell me what you find ugly about that bike. it's a smooth aero design, lots of pannier room. not everything is a race ike, you know. maybe you take offence to he wheels, bu an e-bike has a lower normal spped than a good rider on a roadie, so aero just adds to the environmental soundness
maybe you take offence to all e-bikes, but if a tide of e-bikes engulfs our cities, we will all be safer.
it's blind conservatism like yours that holds the world back.


I find many bikes beautiful, but I find this one ugly. Is it wrong for me to have a preference?

Lack of a horizontal top tube.

I also prefer curry over steak & mash, so I guess I must be racist too.

Run along, you crazy revolutionary envirohippy you.

Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:14 pm
by Crowz
Ken Ho wrote:
Dan wrote:I can't believe I've only now discovered this thread.

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that's not ugly, its neat.
tell me what you find ugly about that bike. it's a smooth aero design, lots of pannier room. not everything is a race ike, you know. maybe you take offence to he wheels, bu an e-bike has a lower normal spped than a good rider on a roadie, so aero just adds to the environmental soundness
maybe you take offence to all e-bikes, but if a tide of e-bikes engulfs our cities, we will all be safer.
it's blind conservatism like yours that holds the world back.


I was about to write out a nice, logical argument to put you in your place. However, I've decided that if you think like your response above, it's really not worth my time.

Ugly Bikes

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:22 pm
by Dan
Must add that I'd not seen the earlier replies when I replied to Ken. I also left the alanis smiley on the other computer, so I trust you'll all forgive the lack of an explicit irony indicator re: envirohippies and revolutionaries, and note that I'm neither anti revolution, nor anti hippy. In fact, I'm possibly both ;)

Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:26 pm
by il padrone
Ken Ho wrote:
Dan wrote:I can't believe I've only now discovered this thread.

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that's not ugly, its neat.

Personally I find it a 'horse that looks like a camel'. A world of inconsistencies - full suspension dually MTB, but it has aero format frame and close fit front mudguard; panniers on a ridiculous (and unstable) high-mount seat-post rack; BMX-style Tuffs; a city-bike chainguard; GPS for the expedition; and then I'm told it is an E-bike.

Wow, the owner doesn't seem to know which way to turn :shock: And I do know the sort of guy who rides this beast - I think I've met him :lol: Hi Al :wink:

Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:38 pm
by jasonc
il padrone wrote:Personally I find it a 'horse that looks like a camel'. A world of inconsistencies - full suspension dually MTB, but it has aero format frame and close fit front mudguard; panniers on a ridiculous (and unstable) high-mount seat-post rack; BMX-style Tuffs; a city-bike chainguard; GPS for the expedition; and then I'm told it is an E-bike.

Wow, the owner doesn't seem to know which way to turn :shock: And I do know the sort of guy who rides this beast - I think I've met him :lol: Hi Al :wink:


I've seen one up the top of Coot-tha. It was stopped by the side of the road then a minute later flew past me like I was standing still (I wasn't, honest :oops: ).

The only thing it's really missing is some tri bars

Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:01 pm
by Mulger bill
Methinks that frame is designed around the suspension system, does nobody recall the Trek Y33 I once lusted after?

It in no way blows my hair back (dem wheels :shock: ) but if it gets its pilot out and about with a grin on their puss, who are we to argue about it?

Taste is a veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery personal thing.

Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:27 pm
by Ken Ho
it takes a lot of style and design cues rom motorbikes. it is reminiscent of a Sachs Badass with the thick tube frame which probably incorporates batteries. On the Sachs, its the fuel tank. Likewise the close fit mudguard. it protect the rider, while aloowing decent suspension travel. the altrnaitve desin of a mudguard fixed above teh suspension travel requires a huge mudguard to afford the same mud catchng ability. Trail bikes do taht, cos they are low speed and dont want a heap of mud jamming under a close fit guard, but a dirt bike front guard would look silly on taht bike and crate huge drag. Multispoke wheels like that are typical of motorbike designs, as is the high rear seat/pannier design. This would be largely shielded from wind by thr riders body. Just because multi-spoke whhels are typically associated with high spped aero rigs in the cycling world does not mean they are not seen as an everyday option in other design realms. A duel suspension like that will give a nicer and safer ride than a rigid frame too, soaking umps and improving braking and handling. As for the knobbies, look at scooters. They typically have fat tyres with chunky tread.
No surprise it blew past someone on a hill. Electric motors have dead flat torque curves which will see them do the same sped on hiills as thevflats, to a point.
Overall, i see a nice execution of an evolving concept, the E-bike, not an ugly bicycle at all.

Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:34 pm
by il padrone
Ken Ho wrote: Multispoke wheels like that are typical of motorbike designs, as is the high rear seat/pannier design. This would be largely shielded from wind by thr riders body.

Just put some weight in that high position and see what happens. Hello speed wobble!! <scrape, thud>

Ken Ho wrote:A duel suspension like that will give a nicer and safer ride than a rigid frame too, soaking umps and improving braking and handling.

Completely unnecessary for regular road riding. Just soaks up your efforts if you get out of the saddle at all. Better braking.... dubious.

Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:37 pm
by find_bruce
Mate I will strongly defend your right to have an opinion, even when I think it is wrong. If that hideous thing floats your boat then by all means splash out your hard earned & have fun.

Just don't be surprised to see a bunch of us who point & snicker :D

Re: Ugly Bikes

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:40 pm
by human909
Ken Ho wrote:it takes a lot of style and design cues rom motorbikes. it is reminiscent of a Sachs Badass with the thick tube frame which probably incorporates batteries. On the Sachs, its the fuel tank. Likewise the close fit mudguard. it protect the rider, while aloowing decent suspension travel. the altrnaitve desin of a mudguard fixed above teh suspension travel requires a huge mudguard to afford the same mud catchng ability. Trail bikes do taht, cos they are low speed and dont want a heap of mud jamming under a close fit guard, but a dirt bike front guard would look silly on taht bike and crate huge drag. Multispoke wheels like that are typical of motorbike designs, as is the high rear seat/pannier design. This would be largely shielded from wind by thr riders body. Just because multi-spoke whhels are typically associated with high spped aero rigs in the cycling world does not mean they are not seen as an everyday option in other design realms. A duel suspension like that will give a nicer and safer ride than a rigid frame too, soaking umps and improving braking and handling. As for the knobbies, look at scooters. They typically have fat tyres with chunky tread.
No surprise it blew past someone on a hill. Electric motors have dead flat torque curves which will see them do the same sped on hiills as thevflats, to a point.
Overall, i see a nice execution of an evolving concept, the E-bike, not an ugly bicycle at all.


Fully agree!