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by PB12IN » Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:52 pm
il padrone wrote:They spoke to both Warne and the cyclist. They have called for any witnesses to come forward IIRC. What more do you want them to do in this 'investigation'? Search his financial records..... ? Subject him to a lie-detector test...... ? There is a limit to what is reasonable investigation in our society.
Zero-tolerance would be a great thing. I've always advocated the principal of strict liability for road collisions, as I believe is applied in Europe, but it does not seem too popular with most people. Zero-tolerance itself has to be tempered with an awareness of the resources (time, man-power) that Police have at their disposal (#realism#).
Come on this is no place for being realistic wizardhat wrote:I would agree if it were me and a joe blogs driver, but it's not. It's getting a lot of media attention and it's likely affecting the perceptions of many drivers.
But they can't treat him any different just because he is a *cough cough*celebrity.
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by Mulger bill » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:23 pm
norbs wrote:Back on topic, old mate orange skin has gone very quiet.
Foot is too firmly lodged in his gob.
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by stinhambo » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:50 pm
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by trailgumby » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:28 pm
norbs wrote:That made me laugh! You were banging away about Church Ministries in the AGF thread. Get over yourself. Oh, and using non family friendly language to, naughty naughty.
The point of the post was about how boards are far from superfluous and - appropriately chosen - provide significant and often indispensable assistance to an organisation, and to defend the AGF's choice to follow a well-established and appropriate governance model. Forgive me if I am pleased to have been able to contribute in some (very) small way in the example I provided. Or are you one of those bigoted types who, as soon as someone who mentions something slightly "goddy" (shock horror, I mentioned the word in public  ) assumes the person must inevitably think they are "holier than thou?" and the merest mention of anything remotely "religious" is "banging on". On what evidence, may I ask? Yes, I am on a roll. I have had a REALLY crappy week. I have run out of capacity to suffer tools or bigots (not that I was ever great at it), so you can take your attitude and shove it somewhere ... family friendly 
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by greyhoundtom » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:35 pm
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by uncle arthur » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:50 pm
Signed.
What is it with cycling? 30+ kmh and lycra???!!!
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by trailgumby » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:53 pm
Signed as well, with comment.
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by Mulger bill » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:10 pm
After what happened on the way home this arvo, how could I not?
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by trailgumby » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:14 pm
@MB, well said. 
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by hitchhiker » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:28 pm
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned before (I only went back 2 pages before losing interest) but bike snob has picked up this story http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/
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by Mulger bill » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:38 pm
Thanks Gumby. So not happy about any part of that incident but I will not be cowed.
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by InTheWoods » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:40 pm
hitchhiker wrote:I'm not sure if it's been mentioned before (I only went back 2 pages before losing interest) but bike snob has picked up this story http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/
That was pretty funny, but his mention of wikipedia got me thinking. Why hasn't this latest controversy been added to his wikipedia page yet?  If someone wants to update it, make sure to keep it factual and state that the facts are currently in dispute.
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by Mulger bill » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:49 pm
hitchhiker wrote:I'm not sure if it's been mentioned before (I only went back 2 pages before losing interest) but bike snob has picked up this story http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/
I loved this BSNYC quote after checking ze tveets. I don't consider myself particularly smart, but I had to watch five hours of quality PBS programming just to get the taste of stupid out of my mouth.  GOLD!
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by stats » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:16 pm
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/art ... _news.html SHANE Warne's call for the mandatory registration of bicycles has been dismissed by one of our top road cyclists and the region's top bike safety spokesman. Team GreenEDGE rider, Leigh Howard, described the spin king's comments as "overkill". There are some real gems amongst the bogan replys to this article.....
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by roobab » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:40 pm
I was nearly run down yesterday morning Thursday 6am by a ute as I was riding to work, and I have cause to believe this was caused by Warnies provocative comments against cyclists, I henceforth am carrying a big hammer in my backpack. Seems like we cannot depend on the law to protect us, I therefore am compelled to defend myself and fellow cyclists.
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by il padrone » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:52 pm
stats wrote:http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2012/01/20/302801_news.html
SHANE Warne's call for the mandatory registration of bicycles has been dismissed by one of our top road cyclists and the region's top bike safety spokesman. Team GreenEDGE rider, Leigh Howard, described the spin king's comments as "overkill".
There are some real gems amongst the bogan replys to this article.....
Bike Safe co-ordinator Barton Van Laar agreed Warne's proposal would be a "logistical nightmare".
"I have no problem with it in principle but in practice it would be far too difficult to administer," he said
Sorry Barton, bugger the practical aspects, I have a huge problem with the basic principle. Cyclists do not require controlling, their transport mode produces bugger all hazard to others. Motor vehicles require controls to curtail the risks of having 2 tonnes of metal careering into people at 100kmh+ 
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by stats » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:01 pm
Don't know if this has already been posted but seems to cover all pro's and con's of bike rego.. http://ipayroadtax.com/licensed-to-cycl ... -to-cycle/ "You know who really liked bicycle registration schemes? The Nazis during World War Two."
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by stinhambo » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:10 pm
stats wrote: "You know who really liked bicycle registration schemes? The Nazis during World War Two."
Godwin's Law is proven again!
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by trailgumby » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:11 pm
Mulger bill wrote:I loved this BSNYC quote after checking ze tveets. I don't consider myself particularly smart, but I had to watch five hours of quality PBS programming just to get the taste of stupid out of my mouth.  GOLD!
Yep, I liked. @hitchhiker, thanks for possting 
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by trailgumby » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:17 pm
stinhambo wrote:stats wrote: "You know who really liked bicycle registration schemes? The Nazis during World War Two."
Godwin's Law is proven again!
Apparently the Chinese like the idea too, I have read news reports where certain suspects were detained on the street becasue their bike registration was not current, and they were discovered to be wanted for other things. So, given that there are other, current, totalitarian and oppressive regimes out there doing the same thing, this would fall under the exemptions in Godwin's Law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law 
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by stinhambo » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:05 am
trailgumby wrote:stinhambo wrote:stats wrote: "You know who really liked bicycle registration schemes? The Nazis during World War Two."
Godwin's Law is proven again!
Apparently the Chinese like the idea too, I have read news reports where certain suspects were detained on the street becasue their bike registration was not current, and they were discovered to be wanted for other things. So, given that there are other, current, totalitarian and oppressive regimes out there doing the same thing, this would fall under the exemptions in Godwin's Law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law 
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by norbs » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:14 am
trailgumby wrote:norbs wrote:That made me laugh! You were banging away about Church Ministries in the AGF thread. Get over yourself. Oh, and using non family friendly language to, naughty naughty.
The point of the post was about how boards are far from superfluous and - appropriately chosen - provide significant and often indispensable assistance to an organisation, and to defend the AGF's choice to follow a well-established and appropriate governance model. Forgive me if I am pleased to have been able to contribute in some (very) small way in the example I provided. Or are you one of those bigoted types who, as soon as someone who mentions something slightly "goddy" (shock horror, I mentioned the word in public  ) assumes the person must inevitably think they are "holier than thou?" and the merest mention of anything remotely "religious" is "banging on". On what evidence, may I ask? Yes, I am on a roll. I have had a REALLY crappy week. I have run out of capacity to suffer tools or bigots (not that I was ever great at it), so you can take your attitude and shove it somewhere ... family friendly 
I was pointing out the fact that you had gone off on a tangent (babbling about something not particularly relevant, read, wasting time), much the same as you had accused others of. Then had the gall to call all of us pathetic! I am sorry for your loss, but I wont take anyone taking the high moral ground and accusing the rest of the place as being pathetic. Holier than thou much? It had nothing to do with Goddy posts. I have picked that up before, your sig says enough. What you choose to believe in is none of my business, but making sweeping generalisations which are rubbish, I will take you on over. Now apparently I am either a tool or a bigot. Really, you don't know me and yet you choose to call me names because I pulled you up over a forum post. Classy. Back to Mr Warne. What ever happened to those kids number plates you used to be able to buy? If I could find them, I would buy all the Shane's and hand them out to cyclists. 
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by Bentnose » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:13 am
A lot of motorists drive without registration and if bike registration was introduced it would be the same for bike riders. Saw a lot of letters in the Herald Sun yesterday talking about doing something about these cycling hoons, we already have anti hoon legislation anyway so if any bike rider is caught doing burnouts or driving more than 30kmh over the limit their bike could be impounded for 48 hours (good recovery time after a ride) 
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by il padrone » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:32 am
Bentnose wrote:.......talking about doing something about these cycling hoons, we already have anti hoon legislation anyway so if any bike rider is caught doing burnouts or driving more than 30kmh over the limit their bike could be impounded for 48 hours (good recovery time after a ride) 
Or doing any sort of skidding/deliberate traction-loss. That'll get those fixie riders off our roads 
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by ColinOldnCranky » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:39 am
il padrone wrote:Bentnose wrote:.......talking about doing something about these cycling hoons, we already have anti hoon legislation anyway so if any bike rider is caught doing burnouts or driving more than 30kmh over the limit their bike could be impounded for 48 hours (good recovery time after a ride) 
Or doing any sort of skidding/deliberate traction-loss. That'll get those fixie riders off our roads 
I can assure you that I have NEVER tried to brake with a skid or indulged in ANY deliberate traction-loss moves on my fixie! 
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