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Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:24 pm
by Alex Simmons/RST
Alex Simmons/RST wrote:Nothing to see here, move along....

Sorry, was just absent mindedly channelling my inner brentono

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:26 pm
by ningnangnong
Rabobank to cease sponsoring professional cycling teams - http://www.rabosport.com/news/item/25789

I wonder if we'll see many other sponsors follow suit?

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:50 pm
by Alex Simmons/RST
ningnangnong wrote:Rabobank to cease sponsoring professional cycling teams - http://www.rabosport.com/news/item/25789

I wonder if we'll see many other sponsors follow suit?

Not to mention all the potential sponsors that will definitely stay away...

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:07 pm
by sogood
Alex Simmons/RST wrote:Not to mention all the potential sponsors that will definitely stay away...

UCI probably had this concern when they realised how big this whole deal is. In effect, it got sucked in. Or rather, the whole sport sucked itself in.

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:15 pm
by find_bruce
Might want to be careful about references to Mark French seeing as the CAS overturned the ban & he has so far been awarded $350,000 & $175,000 in defamation proceedings

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:15 am
by exadios
Alex Simmons/RST wrote:
The 2nd Womble wrote:Remember that until this week, Australian riders had been beyond reproach. I'm not naive.

Then we have evidence of a multiverse.


A question to all theoretical physicist on the board: What is the least number of universes necessary to ensure that no Australian professional cyclists have doped?

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:20 am
by greyhoundtom
exadios wrote:
Alex Simmons/RST wrote:
The 2nd Womble wrote:Remember that until this week, Australian riders had been beyond reproach. I'm not naive.

Then we have evidence of a multiverse.


A question to all theoretical physicist on the board: What is the least number of universes necessary to ensure that no Australian professional cyclists have doped?

Somewhere over the rainbow, there’s a magical land :wink:

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:15 pm
by ColinOldnCranky
exadios wrote:
Alex Simmons/RST wrote:
The 2nd Womble wrote:Remember that until this week, Australian riders had been beyond reproach. I'm not naive.

Then we have evidence of a multiverse.


A question to all theoretical physicist on the board: What is the least number of universes necessary to ensure that no Australian professional cyclists have doped?

There would be a finite solution to your question but it would be pointless to determine. To maintain this nirvana you would have to exponentially increase the number of them with the passage of time.

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:08 am
by exadios
Cycling’s governing body agrees to strip Lance Armstrong of his 7 Tour de France titles.

“Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling and he deserves to be forgotten in cycling.”

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:30 am
by damhooligan
exadios wrote:Cycling’s governing body agrees to strip Lance Armstrong of his 7 Tour de France titles.

“Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling and he deserves to be forgotten in cycling.”


He should not be forgotten....
he did managed to get 7 tdf titles without getting caught.... (until now)
He did manage to do lots of things.....

Dont forget it.. learn from it
And use it to stop doping!!

One must ask... how could this happen.. and how can prevent it??
this is not just about lance anymore....
There are many people to blame for this...

This should not be forgotten.. ever!!

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:28 am
by ldrcycles
damhooligan wrote:
Dont forget it.. learn from it
And use it to stop doping!!

This should not be forgotten.. ever!!


Spot on.

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:43 am
by DaveOZ
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Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:17 am
by ColinOldnCranky
Now that McQuaid of UCI have accepted USADA's work (it was, after all, easier than to do otherwise, something that the UCI seems to have form on) has stated a desire that Lance Armstrong be forgotten, then a few bike tracks and roads around the planet will need to be renamed methinks.

I suspect tha UCI is really hoping that the Armstrong affair is forgotten, rather than Lance. I truly hope not - there is much to be done including cleaning out UCI.

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:25 am
by JustJames
Richard Glover on ABC yesterday evening (paraphrased):

"Of course the real worry in the wake of the Lance Armstrong debacle is that young drug users will now start to think that cycling is cool."

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:30 am
by ColinOldnCranky
In the last week or so Phil has been creeping towards a mea culp but doing his best to not admit to denial in the face of evidence (as well as obscuring or denying has his own responsibility from his profile in cycling or any proffesional obligations as a speialist journalist).

So, his reasoning as to what finally convinced he has been backing the wrong story makes no sense. Except to not have to admit wanton disregard for the evidence that was there all the time.
""I am like everybody else. I had no idea such an in-depth drug scheme was taking place.
Yeah - there was no reason for Phil to be concerned. :roll: And no-one else harboured any suspicions either.

Yep, nothing that went before was convincing or worthy of his won proper assessement. Nope - Phil came to the right conclusion finally with this piece of self serving logic:
"If there were any lingering doubts as far as I was concerned, when Nike and all his sponsors pulled out, but continued to donate to Livestrong, quite clearly a deal was struck.

"We’ll donate to Livestrong Lance, providing you leave the company as chairman’.

"That’s about the nearest I think we’re going to get to a confession from Lance. And if he does confess, that leaves him wide open to a myriad legal entanglements."

Yep, the logic is compelling Phil :( And everything before this was just fluff.

Lifted from http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/cycling-commentator-phil-liggett-says-lance-armstrong-made-a-fool-out-of-him/story-fnbk754t-1226500550404

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:43 am
by The 2nd Womble
Get on board the bikePure train and lend your support people. They're one of our best bets for a better cycling future.
I got Alex Morgan and his WR Jnr Pursuit WC'S mates signed up with them, and I've just passed on details of 2 more rising Aussie juniors that are chomping at the bit to commit to a clean future for cycling.

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:56 pm
by twizzle
JustJames wrote:Richard Glover on ABC yesterday evening (paraphrased):

"Of course the real worry in the wake of the Lance Armstrong debacle is that young drug users will now start to think that cycling is cool."

:lol:



McQuaid disgusts me : "Forget Lance" ... "Whistleblowers are scumbags". Ahole McQuaid is the one who should be forgotten. :evil:

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:56 pm
by schroeds
Really good analysis of the McQuad announcement here http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2012/oct/22/uci-mcquaid-usada-armstrong.

Meantime, if there's a phd in denial these two would sail through

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Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:23 am
by Ross
Kimmage counter attacks by suing Verbruggen and McQuaid

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13195 ... z2B0pabEQH

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:17 pm
by twizzle
Ross wrote:Kimmage counter attacks by suing Verbruggen and McQuaid

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13195 ... z2B0pabEQH


Lol - when I have some spare money, I'll add to the fund. Go Kimmage!

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:43 pm
by schroeds
+1 :D

The brave and righteous are stepping forward. It's a new era dawning. Bring it on.

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:30 am
by clackers
It's amazing, but he better have pockets deep enough to pay their legal fees if he doesn't win!

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:28 pm
by Ross
The lawyer that is acting for Kimmage (who coincidently is the same one that SKINS Chairman Jamie Fuller is using) is reportedly doing it for free.

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:36 pm
by sogood
Ross wrote:The lawyer that is acting for Kimmage (who coincidently is the same one that SKINS Chairman Jamie Fuller is using) is reportedly doing it for free.

Nothing is for free, especially lawyers. It's a calculated gamble by the lawyers and will take a deep cut in the financial transaction should they win or settle.

Re: HOLY showtime!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:57 pm
by find_bruce
Ross wrote:The lawyer that is acting for Kimmage (who coincidently is the same one that SKINS Chairman Jamie Fuller is using) is reportedly doing it for free.

I don't think that can be correct. If Kimmage was getting free legal representation, there would be no need for fund that has raised over US$90,000 to "help defray legal costs incurred by Paul Kimmage while undertakking his defence against a defamation lawsuit bought by the UCI" - apart from anything else Kimmage would be aware of what happened to Landis for knowingly participating in a scheme to raised money on false pretences.

sogood wrote:Nothing is for free, especially lawyers. It's a calculated gamble by the lawyers and will take a deep cut in the financial transaction should they win or settle.

While you generally can't go wrong in bagging lawyers, your statement is not true of the entire profession. While it doesn't get much publicity there are actually lawyers who represent people for free - but being lawyers it is called pro-bono.