UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

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Postby sogood » Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:55 pm

DavidS wrote:They also need to change the way the whole regime is policed. The time it took for Contador's case to be resolved was ridiculous and one can only conclude they were not serious in prosecuting the charges.

That's a tough one to call. Due process takes time and it's wrong for those in power to intervene on a legal process.
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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby W427GOT1 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:58 pm

Never been a fan, nor am i here to knock the man down. but this is how i see it

He was caught, and it may have been years after, and by accident althou he has always been suspect in winning so many TDF
and to add to it, his team mates couldn't live with the lie....The lie, Lance had to live it, it was Livestrong it was the brand

He was able to hide the positive results with doctors and using his name of Livestrong....blackmailed the testing agencies
Lance is very head strong and do it my way attitude, no 1 said no to Lance....
He made him self powerful financially to hush up any results with the live strong brand and his personal donations...

Lance still has a hold on some sponsors, hence why he stood down a deal with his sponsors to still keep Livestrong going....without Lance steering the brand the sponsors do get credit in helping cancer research but not the man that was Livestrong.....

and UCI where corrupt by Lances performance he made the sport and the sport made Lance Armstrong, doping was a bad tool to use to do it
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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby toolonglegs » Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:09 am

... and now they are coming after the money... 10 million US so far :shock: .
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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby Sharkey » Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:48 am

It seems to me that the tactics employed by the UCI are very familiar.

1. Claim that the USADA does not have jurisdiction and try to get the case dropped that way.
uci-claims-usada-has-no-jurisdiction-in-armstrong-case

2. Declare that there is no real evidence, only hearsay, and that there was no failed test (only an anomaly)

McQuaid’s predecessor Hein Verbruggen has been somewhat less circumspect, telling De Telegraaf in a text message that: “All I can say is that there are many, many stories and suspicions, but no trace of PROOF. There is none. LA [Armstrong] never tested positive, not even by USADA."

from here: uci-to-announce-decision

3. When the time comes, forego the opportunity to go to arbitration in order to prevent more evidence coming out.
UCI Confirms Armstrong Life Ban

Seem familiar to anyone else?
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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby biker jk » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:03 am

Amazingly, McQuaid tried to defend taking the "donation" from Armstrong. He claimed there wasn't a conflict of interest because LA hadn't failed a drug test at the Tour de Suisse in 2001! Interesting argument. So it wasn't a conflict of interest for the UCI to receive a "donation" from a guy that has won several TdFs, been given a back-dated TUE at the 1999 TdF and delivered a "suspicious" test result at the 2001 Tour de Suisse. Pat also claimed the UCI was transpatent about the "donation" even though it took seven years to be revealed and even then he didn't allow a reporter to see the receipt for the Sysmex machine bought with the "donation". How can Pat keep his job?
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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby briztoon » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:52 am

No comment on Armstrong or the UCI.

But I would love to see a fan driven push to clean the sport up. I believe it's possible, but am unsure how it should be done.
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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby Ross » Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:03 am

biker jk wrote:Amazingly, McQuaid tried to defend taking the "donation" from Armstrong. He claimed there wasn't a conflict of interest because LA hadn't failed a drug test at the Tour de Suisse in 2001! Interesting argument. So it wasn't a conflict of interest for the UCI to receive a "donation" from a guy that has won several TdFs, been given a back-dated TUE at the 1999 TdF and delivered a "suspicious" test result at the 2001 Tour de Suisse. Pat also claimed the UCI was transpatent about the "donation" even though it took seven years to be revealed and even then he didn't allow a reporter to see the receipt for the Sysmex machine bought with the "donation". How can Pat keep his job?


Wasn't there something like a $37,000 difference in the price of the machine and the amount that LA 'donated''?
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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby familyguy » Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:32 am

There's a lot of people calling it "validation", and a lot of people calling it "witch hunt". Evidence has been provided, and the defendant/s found guilty as charged by two panels, which has opened up a heck of a lot of potential civil worm-cans (i.e. the winning bonuses, among others).

If I was a professional in the sport, I'd be massively dirty on everyone involved. Just as I'd be dirty on someone in my line of business making money off me by cheating, and the governing body covering it up, or being so inept that they missed it all. But I'm not a pro. I'm just an amateur cyclist who rides for enjoyment and fitness, who also happens to watch a bit of racing. Do I feel a little peeved about the cover-up? Yes. Does it surprise me, the level of cover-up? Yes. Does it surprise me people have doped? Not at all.

Another example: a mate of mine is involved in high level sports coaching. Inner circle talk from a few years back went that several of the top ranked men in this certain sport were all doing something, but nobody had caught them. Given this result, time may yet catch them, and we'll see the 'dirty pro cycling' tag encompass other sports. US baseball and the NFL got through it, somewhat.

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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby Sydguy » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:03 pm

The LA thing will be closer to over when he goes to gaol for perjury, he will lose his $ and have to write a come clean book and appear on Oprah. That will be LA over, whilst he still has millions to his name people will see that cheaters prosper.

The UCI is a joke, cycling ca not move anywhere with those clowns at the top. A rival governing body should open up sign riders on and get things done properly.

UCI is making BNSW look like an excellent organisation! :S I sincerely hope they sort UCI out, I would be loathe to sign up to Cycling Australia again next year which is basically a vote for the UCI and poor governance.

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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby familyguy » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:06 pm

Oh, and yet the governing body still cannot bring itself to clear the decks:
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/lan ... 282nk.html

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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby JustJames » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:44 pm

Those pesky whistle blowers!
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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby clackers » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:52 pm

The Chaser boys can go too far. Last week on The Hamster Wheel one of those fake tweets at the bottom of the screen said: "Lance Armstrong denies using drugs to beat cancer".
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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby familyguy » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:13 pm

clackers wrote:"Lance Armstrong denies using drugs to beat cancer"


Nail, head...really.

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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby biker jk » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:18 pm

Sydguy wrote:The LA thing will be closer to over when he goes to gaol for perjury, he will lose his $ and have to write a come clean book and appear on Oprah. That will be LA over, whilst he still has millions to his name people will see that cheaters prosper.

The UCI is a joke, cycling ca not move anywhere with those clowns at the top. A rival governing body should open up sign riders on and get things done properly.

UCI is making BNSW look like an excellent organisation! :S I sincerely hope they sort UCI out, I would be loathe to sign up to Cycling Australia again next year which is basically a vote for the UCI and poor governance.

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If we had Michael Turtur's email address we could tell him what we think about the UCI. He's on the UCI management committee which meets on Friday. Asking for McQuaid to resign for a start and Hein Verbruggen ("There is nothing. I repeat again: Lance Armstrong has never used doping. Never, never, never. I say this not because I am a friend of his, because that is not true. I say it because I'm sure.") to lose his honorary president of the UCI title.
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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:41 pm

biker jk wrote:
Sydguy wrote:The LA thing will be closer to over when he goes to gaol for perjury, he will lose his $ and have to write a come clean book and appear on Oprah. That will be LA over, whilst he still has millions to his name people will see that cheaters prosper.

The UCI is a joke, cycling ca not move anywhere with those clowns at the top. A rival governing body should open up sign riders on and get things done properly.

UCI is making BNSW look like an excellent organisation! :S I sincerely hope they sort UCI out, I would be loathe to sign up to Cycling Australia again next year which is basically a vote for the UCI and poor governance.

JM


If we had Michael Turtur's email address we could tell him what we think about the UCI. He's on the UCI management committee which meets on Friday. Asking for McQuaid to resign for a start and Hein Verbruggen ("There is nothing. I repeat again: Lance Armstrong has never used doping. Never, never, never. I say this not because I am a friend of his, because that is not true. I say it because I'm sure.") to lose his honorary president of the UCI title.

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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby ianK » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:46 pm

If anyone is interested, there is an unedited copy of an interview by Paul Kimmage and Floyd Landis on NY Velocity http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2011/landiskimmage

It is quite long, but well worth the read. I have far more sympathy for him now than I had previously.

I certainly ended up with a more greatly reinforced view that the UCI are low life scumbags protecting their interests, money and power.
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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:51 pm

The thing that concerns me is that one person can be both an administrator of the sport that makes decisions on things such as the status awarded to professional cycling events, as well as be a promoter of an event that benefits from such decisions.

It's conflicts of interest like this that are at the heart of the long term systemic problems, of which doping is a large and obvious symptom.

There are a number of such conflicts of interest at both UCI and CA level.
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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby exadios » Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:02 pm

Sydguy wrote:The LA thing will be closer to over when he goes to gaol for perjury, he will lose his $ and have to write a come clean book and appear on Oprah. That will be LA over, whilst he still has millions to his name people will see that cheaters prosper.

The UCI is a joke, cycling ca not move anywhere with those clowns at the top. A rival governing body should open up sign riders on and get things done properly.

UCI is making BNSW look like an excellent organisation! :S I sincerely hope they sort UCI out, I would be loathe to sign up to Cycling Australia again next year which is basically a vote for the UCI and poor governance.

JM


Setting up a rival peak body if, and only if, it was to correct past UCI injustices, such as the ex post facto ban of recumbents and the reinstatement of records set in the 1930s (the UCI has a lot of form).
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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby ColinOldnCranky » Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:08 pm

toolonglegs wrote:I notice Cadel has now admitted working with Ferrari as well :roll: ... still more muck to be flung around :| .

Phrasing it "has now admitted..." implies something sinister and kept under wraps. cf that with "has confirmed".

My understanding is that it has been a matter fo public record, that he met and talked to the guy around 2000. No secret, no denial, no reason to at the time. Six degrees of separation sorta thing until something more comes up. I think in fairness you should rephrase.

Or is there something more out there that I am not aware of?
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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby Addictr3 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:31 pm

the UCI will try to wiggle its way out of this one, which will only make it look and sound like they knew all along, which I personally think someone in the UCI would of known.. people talk etc.
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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby birdbrain » Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:53 pm

toolonglegs wrote:
... and now they are coming after the money... 10 million US so far



Where's a good bankruptcy lawyer when you need one.
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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby toolonglegs » Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:12 pm

birdbrain wrote:
toolonglegs wrote:
... and now they are coming after the money... 10 million US so far



Where's a good bankruptcy lawyer when you need one.



Wonder how he will go asking Floyd and Tyler for their shares of the prize pool back :| .
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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby JustJames » Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:40 pm

I guess these will be on sale soon...

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And then I can go for the trifecta, one of these, a "Floyd Fund" short and an "I Believe Tyler" shirt.

Well, two of each that is. One for me, and one for my absorbed twin.
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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby Jono L. » Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:27 pm

clackers wrote:The Chaser boys can go too far. Last week on The Hamster Wheel one of those fake tweets at the bottom of the screen said: "Lance Armstrong denies using drugs to beat cancer".

Lance is the one who used cancer to portray himself as some kind of 'Cancer Jesus' (as his is known)

He provided the ball, it's up for anyone to go play with now.

It's fair game. IMO.
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Re: UCI strips Armstrong of 7 TDF wins and bans him for life

Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:42 pm

Jono L. wrote:He provided the ball,

Literally
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