Moron Motorists #3

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby zero » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:52 pm

wellington_street wrote:
il padrone wrote:
wellington_street wrote:It's a legal grey area (see some previous posts from citywomble in particular) as even though the driveway appears to lead to a car park, it is constructed as a road crossing not a driveway crossing. Certainly it is a grey enough area for drive behaviour and that's more important than what is technically correct under the road rules.

Rule 74 says nothing at all about driveways. It is simply road-related areas that are identified. These include a variety of areas, but most notably:
(d) an area that is not a road and that is open to or used by the public for driving, riding or parking motor vehicles;


So I don't see it as any sort of legal grey area, just a grey area in the coddled brains of many motorists.


I used the term driveway as a synonym of "road related area" - swap the words around and same deal.

The actual crossing point is constructed as a road crossing, not as a "road related area" crossing. I don't think it is unreasonable for motorists to be confused over who has priority at the crossing because the roads authority has constructed it to make it appear to be a road crossing.

If the path pavement was continuous across the crossing, or the crossing was raised at path level, it would be a different story as it would be pretty clear that the path has priority* at this crossing.

The legal grey area comes from whether a reasonable person would be expected to understand that what is designed, constructed and appears as a road crossing is actually a driveway.

* Not always the case though as some retarded Local Governments (e.g. Subiaco) love to put in raised crossings that aren't actually zebra crossings and confused the hell out of everyone


The pavement for the cyclepath is clear across the driveway.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby wellington_street » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:43 pm

zero wrote:The pavement for the cyclepath is clear across the driveway.


So it is :oops:

Sorry guys, my bad. Don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that post.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby herzog » Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:07 pm

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby zero » Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:25 pm

In Australia that driver would be charged with either fail to give way or negligent driving, in america it will be no criminality suspected.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby darkelf921 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:47 pm

herzog wrote:


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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby cowled » Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:10 pm

zero wrote:In Australia that driver would be charged with either fail to give way or negligent driving, in america it will be no criminality suspected.


Not in Qld. That would have been a 1 demerit point fine, here.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby arkle » Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:35 pm

cowled wrote:
zero wrote:In Australia that driver would be charged with either fail to give way or negligent driving, in america it will be no criminality suspected.


Not in Qld. That would have been a 1 demerit point fine, here.


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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby queequeg » Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:39 pm

I had this video posted to me by a friend today. Yikes!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=450388878404634
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby cowled » Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:45 pm

arkle wrote:
cowled wrote:
zero wrote:In Australia that driver would be charged with either fail to give way or negligent driving, in america it will be no criminality suspected.


Not in Qld. That would have been a 1 demerit point fine, here.


how's your leg?

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby arkle » Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:46 pm

queequeg wrote:I had this video posted to me by a friend today. Yikes!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=450388878404634


did your friend stop to help the driver?

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby skull » Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:48 pm

far out. So close.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby queequeg » Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:51 pm

arkle wrote:
queequeg wrote:I had this video posted to me by a friend today. Yikes!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=450388878404634


did your friend stop to help the driver?

arkle


My friend wasn't the driver, but yes, the truckie stopped and some words were exchanged. He's incredibly lucky that a) the centre guard stopped him crossing the freeway, and b) the truckie stomped on the brakes.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby ldrcycles » Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:02 pm

queequeg wrote:I had this video posted to me by a friend today. Yikes!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=450388878404634


The crumbledore driver can't have been looking more than an inch in front of his bonnet, stupidity :evil: .
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby trailgumby » Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:24 pm

A woman opened the door to exit the cab in Sussex St out the front of my work on Friday.

This was the result:

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It wasn't a bike that hit the door, but a truck. She was a very fortunate lady.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby jules21 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:29 pm

queequeg wrote:I had this video posted to me by a friend today. Yikes!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=450388878404634

that is appallingly bad driving. even though the manouvre was unnecessary, it could have been done quite easily had the moron not run right up the arse of of the car before swerving into the next lane and losing control. actually i think that guy may have been in the crit race i was at this morning!
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby zero » Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:37 pm

jules21 wrote:
queequeg wrote:I had this video posted to me by a friend today. Yikes!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=450388878404634

that is appallingly bad driving. even though the manouvre was unnecessary, it could have been done quite easily had the moron not run right up the arse of of the car before swerving into the next lane and losing control. actually i think that guy may have been in the crit race i was at this morning!


even running right up the backside of the car ahead would have been fine if he didn't floor it :roll:
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby trailgumby » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:04 pm

Don;t think he floored it. Rear ends on Bumbledores will break loose like that if you haul too hard on the steering wheel. Ask me how I know :oops:
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby BianchiCam » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:32 pm



Lazy Numpty!
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby BianchiCam » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:45 pm



One from today (Sunday 17-11-13)

and while I'm here, also from today.
The sun must be making people turn into Cranium Heads!


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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby human909 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:24 pm

BianchiCam wrote:The sun must be making people turn into Cranium Heads!


I think you might need to improve on that insult! :wink:
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby AKO » Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:33 pm

human909 wrote:
BianchiCam wrote:The sun must be making people turn into Cranium Heads!


I think you might need to improve on that insult! :wink:

What's wrong with head heads?
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby BianchiCam » Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:03 pm

I don't want to get in trouble!
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby hunch » Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:29 am

il padrone wrote:Black Auddi. No more needs to be said. Confirmed as the worst tossers on the road - more aggro and arrogant than even a tradie in a white 4WD Hilux tray-top :roll: :evil:


Maybe white ones too!

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Did notice a proliferation of C63 AMGs yesterday in western Sydney too, mostly young guys, I'll avoid the stereotype of parentage, :lol: ......seemed to love the left hand undertake at speed.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby malnar » Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:36 am

The above dooring reminded me that I nearly took out a door when I was driving a car down Lygon St in the heart of the restaurant area last weekend. When the front of my car was about 2 m back from her door, she opened it. Can only assume she didn't look. There would have been about 10cm in it (I had just turned left in to Lygon & was slightly straddling the right lane, had I been fully in the left lane I would have definitely hit the door). Would have to be a moron to not look when opening a door on Lygon (very narrow lanes).
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby wellington_street » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:49 pm

She probably looked, didn't see you (as you hadn't turned the corner yet) and then opened it a few seconds later. Not real bright.
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