Yeshuman909 wrote:Oh and bonus points for the Subaru driver for picking a road rage fight with a legal professional.
https://youtu.be/of1bVlo_5Y4
Postby warthog1 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:53 pm
Yeshuman909 wrote:Oh and bonus points for the Subaru driver for picking a road rage fight with a legal professional.
Postby fat and old » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:26 am
I guess that's the rule. For mine, I thought that the solid line was not to be crossed, and you had to cross where the broken line was.human909 wrote:I can't really disagree with that. But like I said you really have to be a stickler. While you are at it you might as well get the cyclist for not having a bell.AdelaidePeter wrote:And I would say that by crossing the solid line, he was cutting for corner and did not pass "as near as practicable to the right of the centre of the intersection".
None of that changes the fact that the motorist was required to give way. In a regular course of events nobody would bat an eyelid for the turn the cyclist did.
Postby AdelaidePeter » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:10 am
Yes, stopping to pick a fight was not only stupid, but probably illegal (creating an obstruction on the road). All for what? Because the car driver honked at him. There is perhaps a place for confronting a driver when your life has been threatened, but I can't help feeling this rider was looking for a fight.fat and old wrote: ...the fact is the cyclist thought he had time to turn, realised he didn't and did a silly thing. Even sillier, stopping in front of the car. Sure, lots of us have done that but if you do choose that course you have to be prepared for the consequences. In my eyes, it's a loose loose situation...
Postby Meto500 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:21 am
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Postby kenwstr » Wed Jul 25, 2018 4:53 pm
Postby AdelaidePeter » Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:09 pm
Overtaking on bridges, in and of itself, is only illegal if there is a "no overtaking on bridge" sign; though obviously all other road rules must be obeyed as well. Which isn't to say it wasn't a dangerous pass!kenwstr wrote: Next incident on a narrow 2 lane bridge a bit further along the same road, another overtake across the bridge deck, straddling the centerline. Not especially close but still, it's a bridge so absolutely no refuge if anything goes amiss. When I did my test, overtaking on bridges was illegal but seems common practice these days........ Grrrr!
Ken
Postby kenwstr » Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:58 pm
Here http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety- ... idges.html says "When you come to a bridge which is wide enough for only two vehicles, slow down and drive carefully. Sometimes you are not allowed to overtake a vehicle going in the same direction or to pass a vehicle coming towards you."AdelaidePeter wrote:Overtaking on bridges, in and of itself, is only illegal if there is a "no overtaking on bridge" sign; though obviously all other road rules must be obeyed as well. Which isn't to say it wasn't a dangerous pass!kenwstr wrote: Next incident on a narrow 2 lane bridge a bit further along the same road, another overtake across the bridge deck, straddling the centerline. Not especially close but still, it's a bridge so absolutely no refuge if anything goes amiss. When I did my test, overtaking on bridges was illegal but seems common practice these days........ Grrrr!
Ken
Postby kenwstr » Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:08 pm
kenwstr wrote:That's fine, thanks for clearing it up.AdelaidePeter wrote:Overtaking on bridges, in and of itself, is only illegal if there is a "no overtaking on bridge" sign; though obviously all other road rules must be obeyed as well. Which isn't to say it wasn't a dangerous pass!kenwstr wrote: Next incident on a narrow 2 lane bridge a bit further along the same road, another overtake across the bridge deck, straddling the centerline. Not especially close but still, it's a bridge so absolutely no refuge if anything goes amiss. When I did my test, overtaking on bridges was illegal but seems common practice these days........ Grrrr!
Ken
Here http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety- ... idges.html says "When you come to a bridge which is wide enough for only two vehicles, slow down and drive carefully. Sometimes you are not allowed to overtake a vehicle going in the same direction or to pass a vehicle coming towards you." Well, they don't slow down, rather they consistently speed up and display no care or caution at all.
The main point though was the lack of action from the police who obviously witnessed the minibus breaking the minimum passing distance rule and lane sharing. I don't mind if the police don't lay charges but I do expect them to at least pull the driver up and inform them of the law. This needs to be done because a lot of drivers simply don't care or don't know that it's 1.5 m when the limit is above 60 kmph, and all of them think it's OK to lane share. Personally I don't mind lane sharing so long as it's done with care, not in a pinch point or into oncoming traffic and at a reduced speed and observing the min passing distance.
The point here is that passing should be done safely. It frustrates me when the police don't care about safety either.
Postby pj » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:19 am
Postby uart » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:36 am
Yeah it's surprising just how often that happens. Where a car comes right up beside you indicating to turn left across your path, without even any attempt to actually pass you, and then just sit there in the middle of the road until you pass the intersection. Even if they don't try to hook you it's still like - why not just stay behind if you are going to have to wait anyway.pj wrote:Tonight's moron, must get in front, luckily they didn't follow through on the left hook.
Postby uart » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:48 am
Notice how the motorist seems loath to put a tyre on the double lines, and would much rather endanger your life instead!jasonc wrote:borderline on reporting this one
Postby kenwstr » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:15 am
They seem generally unable to cope with more than one rule at a time. For example, Jasonic was on the left of a broken line, so that's a different lane right, so it's not really and overtake, just travelling through in a different lane, so overtaking laws don't apply..... Knuckleheads. Many overtakes appear to be done on the principal of, which overtaking rule can I choose to apply here, like it's optional, as long as you follow one of them, the others don't matter.... Knuckleheads.uart wrote:Notice how the motorist seems loath to put a tyre on the double lines, and would much rather endanger your life instead!jasonc wrote:borderline on reporting this one
I notice this same thing very often as well. Unfortunately the law change allowing the motorist to do this (when safe) - which came in with the min passing dist laws - is still very little known by the majority of motorists.
Not that it would would necessarily make that much difference anyway. Because I also notice the exact same behavior even on roads without the double unbroken lines. That is, even where the motorist can legally cross the lines outside of the min passing laws. Even in these cases, if there is a marked centre line of any description, so many motorists will choose to close pass you rather than put a tyre on (or over) that line!
Postby pj » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:24 am
Yes it's very frustrating because you then have to make a decision to undertake not knowing if they have seen you are not. Usually in this situation I would come to a complete stop but in this case I was going down hill with lots of extra weight, no chance of stopping.uart wrote:Yeah it's surprising just how often that happens. Where a car comes right up beside you indicating to turn left across your path, without even any attempt to actually pass you, and then just sit there in the middle of the road until you pass the intersection. Even if they don't try to hook you it's still like - why not just stay behind if you are going to have to wait anyway.pj wrote:Tonight's moron, must get in front, luckily they didn't follow through on the left hook.
BTW pj, I also get a lot of the type of close passes etc the you get (as I'm sure do many others here). Unfortunately higher bike speed seems to exacerbate some of these incidents due to poor judgement of the cyclists speed by many motorist. I can't quite tell from your videos, but are you running power assist (aka an ebike).
Postby pj » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:25 am
Have the police in your area ever taken any action?jasonc wrote:
borderline on reporting this one
Postby jasonc » Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:24 pm
Indooroopilly police officer in charge isn't a fan of cyclists. I've had a couple get tickets but most get no action. I've even had one driver close pass me twice (4 months apart) get no actionpj wrote:Have the police in your area ever taken any action?
Postby human909 » Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:23 pm
I find frustration from this even from the most curteoua and considerate of drivers.pj wrote:Yes it's very frustrating because you then have to make a decision to undertake not knowing if they have seen you are not. Usually in this situation I would come to a complete stop but in this case I was going down hill with lots of extra weight, no chance of stopping.uart wrote:Yeah it's surprising just how often that happens. Where a car comes right up beside you indicating to turn left across your path, without even any attempt to actually pass you, and then just sit there in the middle of the road until you pass the intersection. Even if they don't try to hook you it's still like - why not just stay behind if you are going to have to wait anyway.pj wrote:Tonight's moron, must get in front, luckily they didn't follow through on the left hook.
BTW pj, I also get a lot of the type of close passes etc the you get (as I'm sure do many others here). Unfortunately higher bike speed seems to exacerbate some of these incidents due to poor judgement of the cyclists speed by many motorist. I can't quite tell from your videos, but are you running power assist (aka an ebike).
No power assist, just wheetbix but agree about the speed, it definitely catches out some motorists who expect cyclists to be meandering along at 10km/hr.
Postby pj » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:18 pm
Better than nothing, hopefully they learnt something from the experience.jasonc wrote:I've had a couple get ticketspj wrote:Have the police in your area ever taken any action?
Postby hannos » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:49 pm
Postby find_bruce » Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:52 pm
Gotta love the Bourke Rd cycleway aka truck parking & loading zonehannos wrote:Good old truck and dog drivers...
Postby pj » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:32 pm
Everyday there is someone parked in it!find_bruce wrote:Gotta love the Bourke Rd cycleway aka truck parking & loading zonehannos wrote:Good old truck and dog drivers...
Postby mikesbytes » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:51 pm
Is there a fast way of reporting it? I know that COS is keen to clamp down on that when it canpj wrote:Everyday there is someone parked in it!find_bruce wrote:Gotta love the Bourke Rd cycleway aka truck parking & loading zonehannos wrote:Good old truck and dog drivers...
Personally I hate the bus stops with the blind chicanes where the footpath merges into the cycle lane... Let your concentration lapse at these points and you are either taking out a pedestrian or having a head on with an oncoming rider.
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