get the measurements anyway. may be important down the linesilentC wrote:My next move will be to go down there late and run a tape from the centre line to the solid bit (the edge of the road surface is very uneven, full of potholes and not safe to ride on). Then I'll give him the relevant measurements of the bike, his vehicle and the 1 metre clearance and ask him what maths he can work up to demonstrate there was room for him to pass.jasonc wrote:Send him a picture with the Lane width asking him where we wants you to sit. Suggest he use Ms paint. He may need instructions. Keep him going. He might learn something
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You have to watch out for those roundabout lanscape feature ponds .... they jump out at you from nowhereRoss wrote:Canberra roundabout (Anzac parade x Parkes way)
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Postby InTheWoods » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:06 pm
Anybody know the spot?
There is a huge hole in the story - says the cyclist totally tbones them in the side ... and the windscreen is crushed in and the cyclist is practically in the cabin with them...
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Postby BJL » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:30 pm
At first, they made out like they were driving along when a cyclist suddenly came out of nowhere and 'ploughs' into the side of the vehicle. 'T-boned' a being the description used. But somehow ends up in the windscreen.
Then we find out that they had made a right hand turn:
"We then turn right, and only moments after we have made that right hand turn, we are probably in the process of straightening up still making the turn. There's a bike track that runs parallel to the road we had turned off, and it's pretty well hidden by teatree.
So which is it? Moments AFTER they made the right hand turn or IN THE PROCESS of making the turn? Make up your mind.
Sounds like to me they turned and failed to give way to a cyclist crossing the road they were turning onto. And as EVERY motorist knows, it's the motorist who should give way in this situation.
Then he says:
"The next thing we know, one of the most sickening, awful things I have ever experienced, happens. A young man on a bike ploughs into the side of the car. If he'd been driving a car and not riding a bike, you would accurately describe it as he t-boned our car. He hits the side of the car."
'ACCURATELY' - I'd take a T-bone collision to mean around the door region. Let's say centered around the 'B' pillar region. The shape of a 'T'. This would not result in a cyclist ending up in the windscreen. So it's either a front on collision or front quarter panel collision. But not a 'T-bone' collision as he 'accurately' claims. Another probable false statement.
But aside from all this, there's a couple of questions here that need to be raised:
1 - Why wasn't this questioned earlier?
2 - Initial reports said this occurred in a government vehicle. Why was a government vehicle been used for a 'holiday' ? Not a lot different from dogs being ferried around in my book. Is he paid so poorly that he can't afford his own car and the associated running costs?
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3 - Can VicPol release to the public a list of motor vehicle collisions over let's say, the last 30 years where police officers have 'mucked up' and failed to take blood alcohol level readings of all involved drivers? Or is it just shear coincidence that this is the ONLY incident where this has occurred? I'm sure police officers are pretty busy at most motor vehicle collisions.
Maybe Andrews can claim diplomatic immunity or something.
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InTheWoods wrote:http://www.9news.com.au/national/2017/1 ... miers-wife
Anybody know the spot?
There is a huge hole in the story - says the cyclist totally tbones them in the side ... and the windscreen is crushed in and the cyclist is practically in the cabin with them...
I wouldn't necessarily assume that it was the motorists fault without seeing the actual spot and how it unfolded. There is a somewhat off-road trail that runs along the SW side of Melbourne Rd there, this could well have been the "track" that he was referring to.BJL wrote: Then we find out that they had made a right hand turn:
"We then turn right, and only moments after we have made that right hand turn, we are probably in the process of straightening up still making the turn. There's a bike track that runs parallel to the road we had turned off, and it's pretty well hidden by teatree.
So which is it? Moments AFTER they made the right hand turn or IN THE PROCESS of making the turn? Make up your mind.
Sounds like to me they turned and failed to give way to a cyclist crossing the road they were turning onto. And as EVERY motorist knows, it's the motorist who should give way in this situation.
Take for example turning right (from Melb rd) into Kirwood St here: https://www.google.com.au/maps/(AT)-38.367 ... 312!8i6656
Given that is a very light traffic local access road, what 15 y.o boy wouldn't fly across there without looking? I'd say every day of the week and at least twice on Sundays. Boy traveling about 25 km/h, car about the same speed, collision from the front right (or perhaps left) corner of the car, I can see how it could have unfolded something like that.
The only real issue is why she wasn't breath tested. I suspect it was a combination of 1. that the police didn't see her at all at fault, and 2. because of who she was, that they didn't bother with a breath test. That was a mistake.
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Postby Ross » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:04 pm
To be fair he is the Premier so I think he is entitled to a govt car to cruise around in 24/7 . Many other public servants of a lower level have similiar benefits.BJL wrote:
But aside from all this, there's a couple of questions here that need to be raised:
1 - Why wasn't this questioned earlier?
2 - Initial reports said this occurred in a government vehicle. Why was a government vehicle been used for a 'holiday' ? Not a lot different from dogs being ferried around in my book. Is he paid so poorly that he can't afford his own car and the associated running costs?
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3 - Can VicPol release to the public a list of motor vehicle collisions over let's say, the last 30 years where police officers have 'mucked up' and failed to take blood alcohol level readings of all involved drivers? Or is it just shear coincidence that this is the ONLY incident where this has occurred? I'm sure police officers are pretty busy at most motor vehicle collisions.
Maybe Andrews can claim diplomatic immunity or something.
Re diplomatic immunity - I hope not but don't give him any ideas...
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Postby biker jk » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:16 pm
How much did the driver drink the night before? She could well have been over the limit. Moreover, has it been confirmed that Andrews' wife was driving?malnar wrote:Commissioner said yesterday that one thought the other had done it. Andrews said yesterday he wishes they had done it as it would have been zero. I think he said it was 10am, they'd been visiting the beach, the kids were in the car & drinking in such circumstances is not their practice.
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Postby mikesbytes » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:18 pm
Regardless of who's at fault, it would be good to see the road safety experts review the scenario and apply that learning to reducing the risk of repeat occurrences
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Postby fat and old » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:25 pm
Edit...just read it again. She was on Melbourne Rd turning south. There's a lot of driveway access roads along there as the houses are set back a fair bit. Delineated footpath on the North side. Have to be careful all along there, specially in Summer. I won't ride after 10.00am
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Postby antigee » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:40 pm
a contemporary report (2013) quotes a resident running from his Ridley St home on hearing the noise of the collisionTake for example turning right (from Melb rd) into Kirwood St here: https://www.google.com.au/maps/(AT)-38.367 ... 312!8i6656
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Postby outnabike » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:44 pm
Nope its just a bike hey! Often a car will be beside a rider here but I checked the mirrors and went around.
I wonder if a school kid would have the presents of mind to do that though.
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It's better to post a google search link to paywalled stuff, at least if you want anyone else to be able to view it.
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Postby uart » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:02 pm
Thanks antigee. That's the same trail that I suspected, but just a few hundred metres down the road. So almost certainly the following google map link is where it happened.antigee wrote:a contemporary report (2013) quotes a resident running from his Ridley St home on hearing the noise of the collisionTake for example turning right (from Melb rd) into Kirwood St here: https://www.google.com.au/maps/(AT)-38.367 ... 312!8i6656
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Postby battler2 » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:22 pm
GC bulletin still maintains the same rep i see.
then i voted, and of course, the poll results show a 3:1 ratio of people blaming the riders.
is australia (or GC only?) really full of people this stupid?
god help us if we have a plebiscite to bar us from the roads. it will probably pass.
as has been said before, we are the muslims of the fitness world.
(and this is also why i just don't do group rides. i miss out on that part of riding for my own safety)
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Postby uart » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:39 pm
There is a cycle lane on the right hand side of the road, but it ends about one block after that guy first encounters the cyclists. Certainly the cycle lane has ended (for cyclist in that direction) by the time he starts swearing at them to get into the cycle lane.battler2 wrote:wow just wow. i can't see a cycle lane anywhere where and when he is telling them to get in it.
Also ironic is that if you look near the end of the video there is another car about 100 metres in front of them both, so the car has really no where to go even if he does pass them.
I calculate that the guy was delayed by about 0 to 4 seconds at most, yet the majority of commenters there feel that his outrage was fully justify. Frickin' unbelievable!
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Postby warthog1 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:21 pm
The fact that there was no cycle lane and he has been abusive and driven aggressively.
The rocket scientist submits it to newscorp and garners broad support.
He has provided enough evidence for several traffic offences surely.
No charges will eventuate
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
Postby BJL » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:48 pm
It makes more sense now. Very limited visibility there. I still have doubts about the premier's version of events though. Right or wrong, anytime a motorist uses terms such as 'he came out of nowhere', 'he was flying along' and 'ploughed into the car', it's often exaggerations to cover the real story. Maybe I spend too much time on here.uart wrote:Thanks antigee. That's the same trail that I suspected, but just a few hundred metres down the road. So almost certainly the following google map link is where it happened.antigee wrote:a contemporary report (2013) quotes a resident running from his Ridley St home on hearing the noise of the collisionTake for example turning right (from Melb rd) into Kirwood St here: https://www.google.com.au/maps/(AT)-38.367 ... 312!8i6656
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Postby warthog1 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:56 pm
Yes. Until there is evidence to the contrary it looks like the wife of the then opposition leader was not at fault.BJL wrote:
It makes more sense now. Very limited visibility there. I still have doubts about the premier's version of events though. Right or wrong, anytime a motorist uses terms such as 'he came out of nowhere', 'he was flying along' and 'ploughed into the car', it's often exaggerations to cover the real story. Maybe I spend too much time on here.
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