Moron Motorists #3
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
Postby rdwaltonut » Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:12 pm
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
Postby Aushiker » Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:00 am
That is my take as well. If for only a few seconds ...redned wrote:Your rear camera shows that, for a pause of mere seconds, he could have ducked behind the silver car in the other lane and given you heaps of room.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
Postby m@ » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:35 pm
Welcome to Canberra...rdwaltonut wrote:I have only been in country for three weeks and have been riding every day. I have had several experiences with idiot drivers.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
Postby WarbyD » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:56 pm
Travelling north on North Lake Rd in Perth, pretty heavy traffic in both northbound lanes. I was in the right lane and could see a cyclist up ahead in the left lane.. All of the cars appeared to be giving them as much room as they could so all good there. I had a large truck/semi-trailer combo (car carrier I think from memory) in the left lane next to me and he had obviously seen the cyclist too as he started indicating to move right well before we got near the cyclist. I accelerated to move infront of the truck (i was a few metres behind his cabin initially, with clear lane for about 30-40m behind me) and make space for him to move into my lane and as the truck attempted to do just that a tool in a red SS commodore that had been behind him decided that he would use the space to overtake the truck instead - after the truck had started to move across..
BLOODY stupid!! The idiot in the commodore put himself in danger (he went hard up against the island to fit between the truck and the centre island - i'd be surprised if his wheels didn't scuff the curb), the truck driver in a very difficult position and the poor cyclist in an incredibly dangerous position - the trucky still came over as far as I believe he reasonably could have without running the SS completely off the road, but there still wouldn't have been much space between him and the cyclist - I know I certainly wouldn't have liked to trade places with the cyclist at that time!!
The net result of his stupidity? He got to sit in front of the truck at the next red light instead of behind it.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
Postby uncle arthur » Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:46 pm
A douche bag is what a douche bag is..... (and he probably then blamed the cyclist for causing the problem).....WarbyD wrote:The net result of his stupidity? He got to sit in front of the truck at the next red light instead of behind it.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
Postby Aushiker » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:28 am
+ 1 and the poor truckie could have easily have been blamed for not passing safely.WarbyD wrote:... but there still wouldn't have been much space between him and the cyclist - I know I certainly wouldn't have liked to trade places with the cyclist at that time!!
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
Postby Lukeyboy » Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:03 pm
The helmet angle looks like there's a decent amount of room but thats due the nature of a wide angle lens high up.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
Postby KonaCommuter » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:26 pm
Lukeyboy wrote:Jumped on the bike for a quick blast along the riveloop today. Not even 300m from the front door I come across some D-bag that decided to swerve infront and cut me off to access a side street instead of waiting 2 seconds. Now that I know the street the guy lives on I'll be paying my respects later on in the week \.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
Postby jules21 » Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:26 am
no, it really doesn'tLukeyboy wrote:The helmet angle looks like there's a decent amount of room
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
Postby Biffidus » Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:19 pm
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
Postby biker jk » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:50 pm
Totally the driver's fault but you can reduce the risk of these dangerous passes by riding in the middle of the lane as you approach the roundabout (check over your shoulder first, of course).fingy wrote:this mornings moron
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
Postby redned » Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:04 pm
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
Postby Aushiker » Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:21 pm
That was my assessment too.redned wrote:He is smack in the middle of the lane. The car has gone over onto the painted traffic island (illegally) to get past then close into the lane.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
Postby WarbyD » Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:07 pm
Not defending the overtaking over the painted island as it is very much illegal - but it certainly doesn't hurt anyone to be polite every once in a while instead of just having to be "right" ..
Edit - To clarify, I am meaning this for discussion (still learning this whole safe cycling business /expectations / etc) not a direct "you should have moved across!" - I would like to see what others think/would do in this situation..
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
Postby il padrone » Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:35 pm
I believe this may have been filmed with a wide angle lens (maybe a GoPro). This will make objects look further away, and the distance available clear of an object much larger than it really was. I reckon that driver cut in very close, and the cyclist had a short distance (maybe <50m) before the roundabout when the video clip began.WarbyD wrote:To play the devil's advocate.. It seemed you claimed the lane much earlier than necessary in that video - from what I can see there was plenty of opportunity for you to politely move across to allow the motorist to pass well before the roundabout...
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
Postby fingy » Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:22 am
and braked to avoid being hit with the back of his car.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
Postby KenGS » Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:07 am
I think the cyclist did what was safest rather than just "being right" and in most cases would have worked. Without a rear facing camera it's hard to say for sure but I've been in a situation many times where the approaching car simply maintains their speed and expects to pass the cyclist before reaching the roundabout. The fact they had to go over the painted island and cut in close shows they misjudged it badly whilst the cyclist got it pretty right.WarbyD wrote:To play the devil's advocate.. It seemed you claimed the lane much earlier than necessary in that video - from what I can see there was plenty of opportunity for you to politely move across to allow the motorist to pass well before the roundabout. How long had they been behind you prior to overtaking? I know that I for one would be incredibly frustrated if I had been sitting behind a cyclist in the middle of the lane, when he had ample time and room to move across and allow me through without inconveniencing or endangering him in any way..
Not defending the overtaking over the painted island as it is very much illegal - but it certainly doesn't hurt anyone to be polite every once in a while instead of just having to be "right" ..
Edit - To clarify, I am meaning this for discussion (still learning this whole safe cycling business /expectations / etc) not a direct "you should have moved across!" - I would like to see what others think/would do in this situation..
When approaching a roundabout its good practice to check behind well beforehand and take the lane in a smooth action. The trick in the timing is to choose the point at which a car approaching the roundabout at a reasonable speed (and slowing) would no longer be able to safely pass. For safety, slightly sooner is better than later. What you don't want to do is to be trying to check behind whilst on the brakes and trying to avoid hitting the kerb all at the same time.
As a cyclist going through a roundabout you are not going to delay a car any more than another car would. If anything, you will often get through faster and the car can safely pass after the exit.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
Postby il padrone » Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:16 am
My rear-view mirror is a great asset in this situation - monitoring traffic approaching from behind is second nature and causes no veering off track.KenGS wrote:When approaching a roundabout its good practice to check behind well beforehand and take the lane in a smooth action. The trick in the timing is to choose the point at which a car approaching the roundabout at a reasonable speed (and slowing) would no longer be able to safely pass. For safety, slightly sooner is better than later. What you don't want to do is to be trying to check behind whilst on the brakes and trying to avoid hitting the kerb all at the same time.
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
Postby WarbyD » Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:51 am
Rear-view mirror is definitely on my shopping list before I start commuting.. For what they cost, I really can't see a reason NOT to have one.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
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Re: Moron Motorists #3
Postby Mulger bill » Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:33 pm
I'm heading south on Spencer St, taking the lane, headed for South Wharf on a roundabout route towards Footscray this arvo when I get the horn from the obligatory black euro P plater between Collins and Flinders. Not exactly much room to move over there and even if I could it would have got him a whole bike length in the queue at the Flinders St lights. I stopped and gave him the ol' Gallic shrug only to cop a mouthful and an energetic "Keep Left" gesture. Not sure if he liked the kiss I blew him just before the light changed, he blasted his way into the right lane, cutting off the other cars before roaring off into the queue at the ped crossing in front of Jeffs shed.
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