Huh? It is easier to judge where the drivers side of the car is. If you are arguing that drivers can't tell where either side of their car is then that is an argument against ANY form of on road infrastructure.familyguy wrote:Because a LOT of people have no freaking clue where the drivers side of the car is, let alone the FAR side of their car when they're in it!
I'm confused. You just seem to be arguing that some drivers drive badly. Yes that is true. But the alternative choice of having the bicycle lane on the left of a left turn lane is far worse for all the reasons you have already mentioned.familyguy wrote: This, coupled with the fact that a vast number of people appear to feel the need to swing right before they turn left means it's only a matter of time for the pictured example above to end badly...
Quite true. Lower speed limits on any road with on road cycling infrastructure is the ideal scenario and in line with good practice overseas.antigee wrote:cycle lanes that position cyclists to avoid left hooks make plenty of sense to me - the problem is n't the cycling facility its the design element that allows and encourages relatively high speed driving through junctions added to speed limits that are too high and driven to as a -0/+5 target