Moron Motorists #3

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Postby Tim » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:43 am

^^^
Suspended licenses are handed back after the duration of suspension.
Disqualified license holders have to go through a fairly involved process. Depending on the level of the reading the process in Vic involves serving the disqualification period, completing a driving, alcohol and drugs awareness course, a police interview (often at the offenders home), a court appearance to satisfy a magistrate that their drinking is under control and then the fitting of an Interloc (breath test car ignition locking device).
All of the above is at the expense of the offender, as it should be, but it is by no means a simple procedure.
Probationary license offenders have to start from scratch plus all the above ie. Learners, testing, P plates.
(I'm not in any way sympathising with drink-drivers)

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby NASHIE » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:59 pm

We are rubbing bumpers with these morons on a daily basis and taking, suspending or jailing does nothing to stop these people that have no care for anyone else but themselves. There should be mandatory crushing of their or their mum/dads or work car etc on a second offence, no bits or buts. There has to more incentive for the community to point fingers at these !! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !! before they get behind the wheel.
Third offence we should send them to NZ :lol:

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby fat and old » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:50 pm

NZ ?

That's cold.

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby InTheWoods » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:34 pm

How many road rules can you break in one go? I count five... Reported to hoon line.


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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby murbul » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:45 pm

InTheWoods wrote:How many road rules can you break in one go? I count five... Reported to hoon line.


Wow, what an aggressive toolbag. Interestingly he might not cop the close pass fine because the legislation specifically defines it as 1m from the right of the bicycle to the left of the vehicle. Which is frankly absurd. Plenty more to book him with though if you're lucky enough to get someone at QPS who cares.

Did he almost take out that pedestrian at the end?

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby TheWall » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:25 am

That is an interesting point murbul.

Is the driveway he/she entered into Brisbane Grammer? Would be worth reporting to them as well if they are an employee/contractor...just increases the pain points for the driver involved,,,what a flog.

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Postby Scott No Mates » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:40 am

Upon reading this section & I now keep coming back to it, encouraged by several positive comments, I reported a 'near miss' to the courier company's WHS manager.

Over the course of a week, I received several emails (shortened responses for convenience).

1. "Thank you for informing us of the near miss incident that occurred today. As a National Courier company we take all complaints and issues seriously. We have strict company policies in regards to safety and road etiquette; and all of our drivers must abide by our company driving policies.

On behalf of the company I want to apologise to you and hope that you are OK. In order for me to commence the investigation as to the near miss are you able to provide more details? Etc "

2. "Thank you for the details below. The General Manager and I will be interviewing the driver this afternoon.

We thank you for notifying us of the incident."

3. "The driver has been counselled and retrained."

Will have to wait and see if it has had any effect on their driving skills or attitude towards cyclists.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby InTheWoods » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:52 am

Excellent work there, you've made the roads safer ... one person at a time...

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby duncanm » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:52 pm

InTheWoods wrote:How many road rules can you break in one go? I count five... Reported to hoon line.



what a dangerous cnut. Hope you get a positive outcome on that one, there can't be much doubt about the video.

Interesting info on the rego:
- commercial
- expires 23Oct18 -- ie: was only just (re) registered? Seems a little too coincidental.

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby find_bruce » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:32 pm

murbul wrote:
InTheWoods wrote:How many road rules can you break in one go? I count five... Reported to hoon line.


Wow, what an aggressive toolbag. Interestingly he might not cop the close pass fine because the legislation specifically defines it as 1m from the right of the bicycle to the left of the vehicle. Which is frankly absurd. Plenty more to book him with though if you're lucky enough to get someone at QPS who cares.

Did he almost take out that pedestrian at the end?

Not quite so absurd murbul - the reason the 1 m gap doesn't apply when overtaking on the left, is because it is illegal for the driver of a motor car to do so, regardless of the gap - see Road rule 141 No overtaking etc. to the left of a vehicle

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby murbul » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:06 pm

find_bruce wrote:Not quite so absurd murbul - the reason the 1 m gap doesn't apply when overtaking on the left, is because it is illegal for the driver of a motor car to do so, regardless of the gap - see Road rule 141 No overtaking etc. to the left of a vehicle


Unless the vehicle is turning right. Which is what I was doing when a cement truck passed me on the left at speed leaving only a hair's breadth between us. It might be covered by the "and it is safe to overtake to the left of the vehicle" proviso but that's subjective.

Another time that I've been "legally" passed closely on the left is when I was in one of these bike lanes: https://goo.gl/maps/wo1JdNWWMXJ2

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby Cheesewheel » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:04 pm

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-l ... ccf8ded710

Appears to be the latest applications of driverless technology to deal with the problem of road rage :D
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Postby biker jk » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:02 pm

Wife of Premier of the Victorian Socialist People's Republic not breath tested after colliding with 15-year old cyclist.

PREMIER Daniel Andrews has denied he interfered to stop the release of documents detailing an investigation into a collision involving his wife after a freedom of information request was deemed to not be in the public interest.
It comes after revelations that an internal review into officers who did not perform a breath test on Catherine Andrews ended with the two police officers being let off with a warning.

The father of the 15-year-old cyclist injured in the crash confirmed to the Herald Sun that he was still waiting to hear from the Premier and his wife more than four years later.

Mrs Andrews was at the wheel of a taxpayer-funded car in Blairgowrie when it collided with the teenage boy on about 1.30pm on January 7, 2013.

The boy was taken to the Royal Children’s Hospital, where he underwent surgery to stem internal bleeding, also suffering a punctured lung, broken ribs and cuts.


https://goo.gl/oM5NtX

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby jules21 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:07 pm

"oh, it's you Mrs Andrews! I'm terribly sorry, do you want me to give the little ruffian a bit more of a touch-up? He's still twitching."

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby BianchiCam » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:06 pm



This had been ongoing for quite some time.
As some of you know. I had recently moved norf to Caloundra Qld from Vic
This was my first foray into the workings of the Qld police 'system' and it seems in this case. It is about as drawn out and frustrating as it ever was in Vic. (And Qld has a safe passing law)
Anyway. This was a test case only to begin with.
I simply wanted to see if the police would respond at all.
They did (which is good)
The excuses that followed for breaking the rule on behalf of the driver however?
One Leading Constable and a Sergeant both asked me to clarify the rule for them. Not good.
Managed to piss them both off and got Police complaints involved.
Long long story short.
No infringement. Despite confirmation of passing distance.
Seems last resort 'reasons' they would not book the driver are,
1. This matter did not fit the 'Public Interest Test'
2. The officer holds the 'discretion' as to issue a ticket.
So when an officer comes out with, "it looks like the driver did the best they could", "looks like he avoided a head on" and "who long did you expect him to sit behind you"? Your chances of a ticket quickly fade.
How I wish I had recorded these conversations.
Police complaints seem to think that the two officers did not act unprofessionally, acted within the guidelines and no action would be taken.
Lesson here?
If you are making a complaint. Do not 'give in'. Do not 'be nice' No matter how apologetic the driver is.
In this case the driver made himself known after I posted the video on my (now deleted FB page strangely enough) Spewing forth his hate, selfishness and even posting a link to the King Percy video of the American rider getting cleaned up.
Regardless of the police having multiple screenshots and also no evidence on my behalf that he was goaded or led.
Still no ticket.
Some have suggested a cover up due to sloppy police work. Who knows. Seems strange that the FB page exposing bad drivers around cyclists was fully unpublished at the same time though.
Luckily since then I have had a successful infringement issued (although the defendant is challenging it due to a date mix up on my statement)
So my strike rate is 1/3 so far and 2 'cautions'
Be better not to have to go through all the bs associated with it though.


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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby BianchiCam » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:22 pm

Caution #2

The old, "I don't know who was driving the ute registered to me on a Saturday morning at 7.45 when I started work at 8am down the road" excuse means that this driver was given a caution only.
Yep. I smell it too.
Oh yeah. It's a 70km/h zone too.
1 Infringement, 2 cautions

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Postby jasonc » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:56 pm

Bianchicam - you are doing better than me - indooroopilly are station where I have most of my incidents. They do their best to not fine drivers
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Postby BianchiCam » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:36 pm

jasonc wrote:Bianchicam - you are doing better than me - indooroopilly are station where I have most of my incidents. They do their best to not fine drivers


Very disheartening when that happens. Have you involved police complaints.
I did. Asked them if the split rule was law, or just subjective?
Also. I record everything.
Think it is more the individual officer. Did expect a sergeant to know the law.
One convo i had with the sgt who was doing a followup went to pot after 10 mins he admitted he had not even viewed the footage.
He was speculating.
True story.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby jules21 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:09 am

BianchiCam wrote:[So when an officer comes out with, "it looks like the driver did the best they could"

https://youtu.be/623xyVdCPmc

the officer needs new glasses I reckon

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby RobertL » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:30 pm

BianchiCam wrote:
jasonc wrote:Bianchicam - you are doing better than me - indooroopilly are station where I have most of my incidents. They do their best to not fine drivers


Very disheartening when that happens. Have you involved police complaints.
I did. Asked them if the split rule was law, or just subjective?
Also. I record everything.
Think it is more the individual officer. Did expect a sergeant to know the law.
One convo i had with the sgt who was doing a followup went to pot after 10 mins he admitted he had not even viewed the footage.
He was speculating.
True story.


Just one thing - I went to a training course for work run by the QPS some time ago where they pointed out that it is completely legal in Qld to record any conversation with another person, whether or not they consent, or even know that they are being recorded. This is not the case in other states.

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Postby trailgumby » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:56 pm

RobertL wrote:Just one thing - I went to a training course for work run by the QPS some time ago where they pointed out that it is completely legal in Qld to record any conversation with another person, whether or not they consent, or even know that they are being recorded. This is not the case in other states.

My understanding is it is also the case in NSW under the Surveillance Devices Act, so long as you are a principal party to the conversation and it is reasonably necessary for the protection of your lawful interests, and it is not for the purpose of publication.

You cannot record other people's conversations if there is a reasonable expectation of privacy, unless one of the principal parties consents to you recording and it is reasonably necessary to protect their lawful interests etc as above. If there is no reasonable expectation of privacy (eg, road rage yelling match) then you're OK to record.

You may not record audio if there is a reasonable expectation of privacy and you do not fit the above exceptions.

This is found in Sections 7(1) and 7(3)(b)(i) and 7(3)(b)(ii).

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Postby warthog1 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:12 pm

biker jk wrote:Wife of Premier of the Victorian Socialist People's Republic not breath tested after colliding with 15-year old cyclist.

PREMIER Daniel Andrews has denied he interfered to stop the release of documents detailing an investigation into a collision involving his wife after a freedom of information request was deemed to not be in the public interest.
It comes after revelations that an internal review into officers who did not perform a breath test on Catherine Andrews ended with the two police officers being let off with a warning.

The father of the 15-year-old cyclist injured in the crash confirmed to the Herald Sun that he was still waiting to hear from the Premier and his wife more than four years later.

Mrs Andrews was at the wheel of a taxpayer-funded car in Blairgowrie when it collided with the teenage boy on about 1.30pm on January 7, 2013.

The boy was taken to the Royal Children’s Hospital, where he underwent surgery to stem internal bleeding, also suffering a punctured lung, broken ribs and cuts.


https://goo.gl/oM5NtX


Nice dig about the "Socialist" nature of our government :roll:
As opposed to what, the fascist state of NSW?

Stop reading Murdoch tripe and you may be more informed.

Whilst hardly defensible, it happened in 2013. The tories were only kicked out here in 2016

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Postby find_bruce » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:05 pm

trailgumby wrote:
RobertL wrote:Just one thing - I went to a training course for work run by the QPS some time ago where they pointed out that it is completely legal in Qld to record any conversation with another person, whether or not they consent, or even know that they are being recorded. This is not the case in other states.

My understanding is it is also the case in NSW under the Surveillance Devices Act, so long as you are a principal party to the conversation and it is reasonably necessary for the protection of your lawful interests, and it is not for the purpose of publication.

You cannot record other people's conversations if there is a reasonable expectation of privacy, unless one of the principal parties consents to you recording and it is reasonably necessary to protect their lawful interests etc as above. If there is no reasonable expectation of privacy (eg, road rage yelling match) then you're OK to record.

You may not record audio if there is a reasonable expectation of privacy and you do not fit the above exceptions.

This is found in Sections 7(1) and 7(3)(b)(i) and 7(3)(b)(ii).

That is actually the big difference TG - in Qld a party is free to record a private conversation, full stop end of story. In NSW the party must establish that it was necessary for the protection of their lawful interests.

The other important thing to remember is that, and this applies in all states IIRC, the restrictions only apply to private conversations - what Wayne Kerr yells at you on a public place is not private.

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Postby biker jk » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:07 pm

warthog1 wrote:
biker jk wrote:Wife of Premier of the Victorian Socialist People's Republic not breath tested after colliding with 15-year old cyclist.

PREMIER Daniel Andrews has denied he interfered to stop the release of documents detailing an investigation into a collision involving his wife after a freedom of information request was deemed to not be in the public interest.
It comes after revelations that an internal review into officers who did not perform a breath test on Catherine Andrews ended with the two police officers being let off with a warning.

The father of the 15-year-old cyclist injured in the crash confirmed to the Herald Sun that he was still waiting to hear from the Premier and his wife more than four years later.

Mrs Andrews was at the wheel of a taxpayer-funded car in Blairgowrie when it collided with the teenage boy on about 1.30pm on January 7, 2013.

The boy was taken to the Royal Children’s Hospital, where he underwent surgery to stem internal bleeding, also suffering a punctured lung, broken ribs and cuts.


https://goo.gl/oM5NtX


Nice dig about the "Socialist" nature of our government :roll:
As opposed to what, the fascist state of NSW?

Stop reading Murdoch tripe and you may be more informed.

Whilst hardly defensible, it happened in 2013. The tories were only kicked out here in 2016


Dan Andrews is from the Socialist Left faction of the Labor Party.

Stop reading the Guardian/ABC/Fairfax and you'll be better informed.

The rejection of the freedom of information request occurred under the current Socialist government.

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Postby warthog1 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:55 pm

biker jk wrote:
Dan Andrews is from the Socialist Left faction of the Labor Party.

Stop reading the Guardian/ABC/Fairfax and you'll be better informed.

The rejection of the freedom of information request occurred under the current Socialist government.



You clearly have a flawed understanding of the definition of Socialism :lol:
A diet saturated in Newscorp will do that to you ;) Are you a Fox news subscriber too?

You are suggesting there has been direct interference by the government in blocking the FOI request.
That is the inference by the newscorp media however there is no evidence.

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