Moron Motorists #3

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby human909 » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:27 am

warthog1 wrote:Yeah sorry mate I had it all wrong. If you need an ambulance in order to get the police there go ahead and call it what the hell would I know :oops:

Out of interest what number should I call at the side of the road following a serious crash if I wish to get the police to attend?
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby Lukeyboy » Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:51 am

human909 wrote:
warthog1 wrote:Yeah sorry mate I had it all wrong. If you need an ambulance in order to get the police there go ahead and call it what the hell would I know :oops:

Out of interest what number should I call at the side of the road following a serious crash if I wish to get the police to attend?


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Re: Moron Motorists #3

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby warthog1 » Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:19 am

human909 wrote:Out of interest what number should I call at the side of the road following a serious crash if I wish to get the police to attend?


000 and ask for police.


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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby Lukeyboy » Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:35 am

ldr, I gotta watch that movie again now haha.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby redsonic » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:50 pm

herzog wrote:Incredibly, this rider walked away from this:



That's BAD. So much for claiming the lane. :shock:
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby Oxford » Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:16 pm

I reckon the cyclist was turning left and the truck driver just didn't register the cyclist.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby human909 » Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:20 pm

warthog1 wrote:000 and ask for police.

Which I did and could not get past the operators, as nobody was injured. This was despite insisting that this was a major road accident involving multiple cars whose owners were not present. My car totally written off.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby duncanm » Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:19 pm

leximack wrote:
Boognoss wrote:More close passing in North Ryde. Because I was commuting with a mate who also has front and rear GoPros I thought this was worthy of special Spielbergy treatment:



nice one, the folding back of the mirrors is a favourite for me (and many cyclists im sure). :D :D



Not me.

I don't think it helps. In reality, most of these clowns don't think they passed you too close. I'd much rather tap on their window and explain to them that they were too close and it'd be much appreciated (and safer) if they left some more room next time they pass a cyclist.

Randomly whacking their mirror when they don't think they've done anything wrong just makes them hate cyclists.

Of course, if the quiet chat leads to the driver telling me to get stuffed, mirrors or something else may suffer; but I find that rarely happens.
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Moron Motorists #3

Postby warthog1 » Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:06 pm

No units available obviously. You could indicate there was a safety risk and traffic control was needed.
At times the system is overloaded and tasks are prioritised.
I don't know how the police prioritise their jobs, but given it comes out of the same dispatch centre rurally as ambulance, and what a carp job is done of prioritising ambulance cases, probably not very well.
They will not be refusing to attend due to laziness, there will be a lack of resources available.

Edit; I have just gone back through the thread and read the police accident attendance reasons. I didn't read the whole thread earlier.
I can't argue against what is written there.
However it is not my experience that they will always attend if there are injuries. I've certainly been to accidents, where there have not been police.
I still don't agree that calling an ambulance simply to get police attendance is a morally responsible thing to do (I understand you are looking for other ways to get them there) when it potentially takes a car away from someone who needs it. I'd be very upset if it was my family member left waitng and in need.
People call for all sorts of reasons, many of them around convenience and a perception they will bypass the queue at ED. (They don't by the way)
I'm not going to change that by ranting here.
Might as well add insurance payout or assigning fault in a collision to the list.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby chriscole » Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:47 pm

yugyug wrote:Now I wouldn't hesitate to call am ambulance for even a minor injury, because maybe thats the only way I can be sure the police will turn up to the scene and take the incident seriously




Yeah sorry mate I had it all wrong. If you need an ambulance in order to get the police there go ahead and call it what the hell would I know :oops:[/quote][/quote]


If you are injured and think (or a bystander thinks) that you require medical assistance, then you (or someone else) should call an ambulance. That's what they're for.

If you intentionally call an ambulance for the primary purpose of trying to increase the probability of Police attending the scene, then you are inappropriately diverting scarce critical care resources, and you are a muppet of the highest order.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby il padrone » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:05 am

duncanm wrote:Of course, if the quiet chat leads to the driver telling me to get stuffed, mirrors or something else may suffer; but I find that rarely happens.

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby iaintas » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:42 am

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Your issue is that you don't understand one reason doesn't preclude other reasons. An injury is an injury and its been pointed out several times that the injured are not necessarily the best to judge their own injuries. As a paramedic I would expect you to acknowledge that. My point is that if being cautious also motivates a lazy cop to get off their arse and do their job properly then thats great, I'm happy be grit in the system, because the system needs to change. Cyclists are copping it hard and we need to be more active, present and forthright about our rights and requirements.

I'm also not one to abuse ambulance services so get off your high horse. You might have noted in my original comment on this subject, about being the victim of a hit and run, that I didn't call an ambulance and instead sought treatment from a GP - who referred me to the emergency ward.[/quote]

So you would call an ambulance for every injury you have (on or off the bike), because you cant judge how injured you are? Its my experience that the injured person is usually the best judge of their own injury not the other way around. Having some minor soft tissue injury and some road rash is not a reason to call an ambulance for assessment and certainly not the way to "change the system" as you stated. And next time you have a traumatic pneumothorax or a fractured sternum/cardiac contusion let me know how long "adrenaline" and "shock" masks the symptoms for :shock:
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby hunch » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:42 am

"Its my experience that the injured person is usually the best judge of their own injury not the other way around."

I'll add to the circular argument! I was involved in a low speed rear ender, minor pain at point of impact, but felt fine immediately after, companion insisted on calling an ambulance against my protests, wouldn't you know it, broken neck. :lol: Did need meds the following day though.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby BianchiCam » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:11 pm

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby Lukeyboy » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:23 pm



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Every time I think about the joy of a long, beautiful road ride on rolling rural lanes, I get a little wistful and start to regret that I’ve sold all my road gear because I’ve come to believe riding on the road is too dangerous. But then I think about the two friends of friends who’ve been killed on local roads, the friends who’ve suffered broken bones and concussions, and the other absurdly tragic, preventable deaths of cyclists I don’t know at the hands of drivers, none of whom where charged with homicide of manslaughter. Or I hear about police response to harassment incidents like the one that occurred right here in my home town, literally with in sight of my house, and I feel justified in my decision.

A couple weeks ago, Bryan Larsen was riding south on Pacific Coast Highway in Dana Point, California, when the passenger of a pickup truck threw a full Gatorade bottle at him, striking its target. The whole incident is captured on video, where Larsen is heard dropping an f-bomb, saying, “You got on (AT)$%&ing video, right here!” Afterward, he posted the video to YouTube and contacted local law enforcement, which — are you ready for this — is considering pressing charges against Larsen for using “words in public likely to illicit a violent reaction.”

Think about that one for a minute. Dude is a victim of assault, and they’re going to prosecute him? For using a word you can hear at any playground? (The sheriff is also considering charges against the truck passenger, but still.)

Certainly, there are roads in this world where it’s safe to be a cyclist. Or at least less dangerous than the urban/suburban interface where so many of us live. Regardless, it feels like there’s a turf war taking place on the roads, a war that highly vulnerable road cyclists will never win and that authorities will never stop.

The solution, if there is one, will be complex, requiring efforts by cycling organizations, cyclists, and local communities. In the meantime, though, let’s consider a question that I’ve heard debated numerous times by angry, embattled-feeling riders: Should roadies fight back? Should they meet aggression with aggression?

As they say in school, justify your answers in the comments. And what do you think is the solution to making the roads safer for cyclists?

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby Oxford » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:06 pm

I've seen that Gatorade one already and if I understand it there was an earlier altercation between the cyclist and passenger (hence why he had his mobile on and recording) and it is this earlier verbal tirade that the cyclist is being charged under. It incited the passenger to react, which is what we see. I don't agree with it personally (the cyclist being charged) as retaliating with a motor vehicle is way over the top, but that is what I understand of the situation. There is more to it than what we see on this clip. To me it is just the cops way of being able to get at the cyclist because of their narrow minded agenda. Refer to the Kentucky State Trooper situation with Cherokee Schill.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby casual_cyclist » Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:33 pm

iaintas wrote:So you would call an ambulance for every injury you have (on or off the bike), because you cant judge how injured you are? Its my experience that the injured person is usually the best judge of their own injury not the other way around.

Not in my experience. I came off and broke my knee. Finished the ride. Was back on my bike 2 weeks later. flying bicycles that hurt. I didn't seek medical attention for a couple of months when I found out it was broken. I know other people who have wandered around with broken bits too.

In a car vs bike crash, a bike rider is not out of order calling for an ambulance. I have ambulance cover in case I need it again. You may have injuries you are unaware of that don't manifest themselves until later down the track.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby herzog » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:04 pm

Had to deal with a shocking bus driver this morning.

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby Oxford » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:16 pm

herzog wrote:Had to deal with a shocking bus driver this morning.

Are you going to report it? No point posting it here if you do nothing about it. When BCC buses did crap like that to me I reported them and indicated I would contact workplace health and safety since they are in a work environment. No employer wants to be investigated.

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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby trailgumby » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:33 pm

herzog, I'd certainly report it. I've done so successfully on several occasions in the past via the 131500.com feeback page. I state time, day, street, nearest cross street, direction of trave, bus number and rego, and then outline the facts and their impact on me.

From appearances the driver isn't malicious, just incompetent. Unfortunately I had one that was malicious in Miller St North Sydney last year. Unfortunately I lost my cool which wasn't a good look, but he knew I had a camera so he self-reported. The feeedback I got was good - the footage captured from the bus (they have cameras too) was independently reviewed and the driver was "left in no doubt as to his obligations to other road users". Reading between the lines I think he was in a shedload of trouble and given a formal performance warning.

A second one did what you experienced and was also counselled anout vulnerable road users, although the in-bus footage of the driver at the wheel gave no indication of intent.

It won't take you long and the process is independently reviewed, so your chances of getting a decent result are pretty good.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby yugyug » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:44 pm

herzog wrote:Had to deal with a shocking bus driver this morning.


Yeah I would definitely report that. I watched it a few times and I know the commute. Any experienced bus driver would know that there would be no time saved overtaking a cyclist on the downhill past the barracks and it makes me think he has a bad attitude about cyclists. I wouldn't even edit out you giving him the finger (is that what you did? :lol: ), IMHO its totally deserved, esp. after not indicating on the second lane change.
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby herzog » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:19 am

Thanks guys. Yes I will be making a report.

And no I wasn't giving him the finger at the end :) just pointing to the helmetcam.

You'd think with the recent spate of deaths involving Sydney buses they'd be driving a lot better than this...
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby warthog1 » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:44 pm

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iaintas wrote:So you would call an ambulance for every injury you have (on or off the bike), because you cant judge how injured you are? Its my experience that the injured person is usually the best judge of their own injury not the other way around.

Not in my experience. I came off and broke my knee. Finished the ride. Was back on my bike 2 weeks later. flying bicycles that hurt. I didn't seek medical attention for a couple of months when I found out it was broken. I know other people who have wandered around with broken bits too.


With all due respect that injury did not need an emergency ambulance to convey you to hospital. You were able to walk around on it for a couple of months. It doesn't appear there was any immediate threat to life or limb. A visit to your local GP or take yourself off to the local hospital a bit earlier next time for medical assessment/imaging.

casual_cyclist wrote:In a car vs bike crash, a bike rider is not out of order calling for an ambulance. I have ambulance cover in case I need it again. You may have injuries you are unaware of that don't manifest themselves until later down the track.


Agreed. There is the potential for high impact traumatic injury given the mass and speed differential.
I started the whole s__t storm when I baulked at the inference calling an ambulance for the purpose of police attendance was an acceptable use of an under resourced emergency service. I'll just shut-up next time, nothing is achieved by commenting on here :oops:
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Re: Moron Motorists #3

Postby biker jk » Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:19 pm

herzog wrote:Thanks guys. Yes I will be making a report.

And no I wasn't giving him the finger at the end :) just pointing to the helmetcam.

You'd think with the recent spate of deaths involving Sydney buses they'd be driving a lot better than this...


Yes, definitely report the driver. Extremely dangerous driving. I live in the suburb and know that stretch of Oxford St down to Glenmore Rd well. The speed limit is 50kmh so you were not holding up the bus by being in the bus lane at all. Given the bus driver has cut in dangerously twice, he clearly has an attitude problem with regard to cyclists. I doubt he would have done likewise to a car.
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