Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby warthog1 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:19 pm
I will echo what others have already said. I enjoy strava and use it responsibly. Will be pissed if I am stopped from doing so because of the actions of irresponsible idiots.
People should be accountable for their own actions and not seek to blame others for their stupidity.
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby il padrone » Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:33 pm
You are missing the quite significant difference in the two cases.toolonglegs wrote:Very true... we can be trusted to decide for ourselves whether we wear a helmet or not, but we can not be trusted to decided whether it is safe for us to ride a strava segment or not.
Somebody choosing not to wear a helmet may endanger themselves, they certainly are not endangering anybody else. As evidenced by the article in the OP, the same cannot be said for Strava abuse.
Any action that somebody takes or indulges in that has the potential to injure or harm others has some degree of grounds for regulation, or at least more grounds, IMHO.
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby toolonglegs » Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:38 pm
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby Chuck » Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:48 pm
+1toolonglegs wrote:Oh dear
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby Kenzo » Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:09 pm
Quite possibly true, which is why you shouldn't be allowed to buy a round of drinks for your mates. Regulate the office party plates.. someone might bring in salmonella laced salami. Then there are kids birthdays in school classrooms, these mongrels have little regard for personal hygiene. /sarcasmil padrone wrote:Any action that somebody takes or indulges in that has the potential to injure or harm others has some degree of grounds for regulation, or at least more grounds, IMHO.
I hear what you are saying about the potential to harm others, but I would think this this is already covered with liability laws, injury lawsuits, negligence etc. Regulate STRAVA, then you'd need to do something about the commuter cup racing thread right here on BNA.
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby jimsheedy » Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:26 pm
I don't know the statistics but I know that amongst the 2 dozen or so people I regularly ride with the competition is on hills. Sure there are sprint sections on our regular rides but they are not the main source of competition or discussion on strava. Hill climbs constitute the bulk of time challenges. I think your comment is exactly the reaction/ary comment the article is hoping for.foo on patrol wrote:You have to be a brain dead twit, to go and take chances on the streets to better your time.
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby ldrcycles » Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:28 pm
I would like to know what is illegal and dangerous about a segment where the KOM averages 13kmh .
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby il padrone » Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:33 pm
Responsible serving of alcohol rules.Kenzo wrote:Quite possibly true, which is why you shouldn't be allowed to buy a round of drinks for your mates
Food handling legislation.Kenzo wrote:Regulate the office party plates.. someone might bring in salmonella laced salami. Then there are kids birthdays in school classrooms, these mongrels have little regard for personal hygiene. /sarcasm
I made no statement about how or even whether regulation should be carried out. Just that there may some grounds for it, because of harm occurring or likely to occur to others.Kenzo wrote:I hear what you are saying about the potential to harm others, but I would think this this is already covered with liability laws, injury lawsuits, negligence etc. Regulate STRAVA, then you'd need to do something about the commuter cup racing thread right here on BNA.
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby jimsheedy » Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:33 pm
Strava abuse My giddy auntil padrone wrote:You are missing the quite significant difference in the two cases.toolonglegs wrote:Very true... we can be trusted to decide for ourselves whether we wear a helmet or not, but we can not be trusted to decided whether it is safe for us to ride a strava segment or not.
Somebody choosing not to wear a helmet may endanger themselves, they certainly are not endangering anybody else. As evidenced by the article in the OP, the same cannot be said for Strava abuse.
Any action that somebody takes or indulges in that has the potential to injure or harm others has some degree of grounds for regulation, or at least more grounds, IMHO.
Honestly people need to take a nice long deep breath and of course don't forget to exhale. Where is there any evidence what so ever that Strava promotes dangerous behaviour?
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby il padrone » Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:36 pm
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby jimsheedy » Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:47 pm
In a separate incident in 2010, San Francisco cyclist William "Kim" Flint, 40, was killed while speeding downhill in an attempt to claim the top spot on the Strava leaderboard. His family is now suing the company for encouraging reckless behaviour.
I have no idea how many members strava has but I would imagine it is quite a few. Alleged connection to two accidents even if that connection could be proved is not proof of Strava encouraging people to partake in dangerous activity.
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby jacks1071 » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:22 am
Should everyone else suffer increased legislation to account for these people? My answer is No. You can't protect some people from themselves.
Ride "at your own risk"
The amount or rules and legislation in the modern world I fear is leading to a decrease in common sense in our children.
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby damhooligan » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:02 am
Feel free to do so.Kenzo wrote:We can take this quote to the MHL thread as an admission that MHL is required and justifiable. Quote me from here to that thread if you like... But to me, you just shot yourself in the foot.damhooligan wrote:If only it was that easy.foo on patrol wrote:You have the choice to be a fool or not, the app does not say you have to do it.
Foo
Being a fool , may be a choice, but it is heavily influenced by everything that happens around you.
Then i can easily explain why you are wrong.
Im not in the mood to makes this another helmet thread.
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby damhooligan » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:24 am
[/quote]toolonglegs wrote:Very true... we can be trusted to decide for ourselves whether we wear a helmet or not, but we can not be trusted to decided whether it is safe for us to ride a strava segment or not. .
Nope.
Wrong country.
Here in Australia we can not b trusted to make that helmet decision.....
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Postby Comedian » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:52 am
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby jasonc » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:55 am
common sense is no longer commonjacks1071 wrote:Unforunately some people don't have enough common sense to prevent them from hurting themselves or others.
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby Ross » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:36 am
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby g-boaf » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:46 am
+2toolonglegs wrote:Oh dear
Exactly right and this is where it gets to the point of being too much regulation and that dreaded 'nanny state'. I hate that term, but in this case it'd be appropriate.Kenzo wrote:Quite possibly true, which is why you shouldn't be allowed to buy a round of drinks for your mates. Regulate the office party plates.. someone might bring in salmonella laced salami. Then there are kids birthdays in school classrooms, these mongrels have little regard for personal hygiene. /sarcasmil padrone wrote:Any action that somebody takes or indulges in that has the potential to injure or harm others has some degree of grounds for regulation, or at least more grounds, IMHO.
I hear what you are saying about the potential to harm others, but I would think this this is already covered with liability laws, injury lawsuits, negligence etc. Regulate STRAVA, then you'd need to do something about the commuter cup racing thread right here on BNA.
I love Strava and I love having a crack at a few segments. But the ones I do go for are ones where there is no traffic (they are off street) in deserted areas and the speeds are generally quite slow (they are hills). I do no harm to anyone else.
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby Marty Moose » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:57 am
What's your point. People still drink to much,still get food poisoning.There are also road laws aswell people still speed run red lights etc etc.il padrone wrote:Responsible serving of alcohol rules.Kenzo wrote:Quite possibly true, which is why you shouldn't be allowed to buy a round of drinks for your mates
Food handling legislation.Kenzo wrote:Regulate the office party plates.. someone might bring in salmonella laced salami. Then there are kids birthdays in school classrooms, these mongrels have little regard for personal hygiene. /sarcasm
I made no statement about how or even whether regulation should be carried out. Just that there may some grounds for it, because of harm occurring or likely to occur to others.Kenzo wrote:I hear what you are saying about the potential to harm others, but I would think this this is already covered with liability laws, injury lawsuits, negligence etc. Regulate STRAVA, then you'd need to do something about the commuter cup racing thread right here on BNA.
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby Kenzo » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:22 am
I don't know why you are 'poking your tongue out' at me (emoticon)... when you have not addressed the issues - a round of drinks for your mates is not covered by alcohol rules - when it is at a park, at a backyard BBQ...il padrone wrote:Responsible serving of alcohol rules.Kenzo wrote:Quite possibly true, which is why you shouldn't be allowed to buy a round of drinks for your mates
Food handling legislation.Kenzo wrote:Regulate the office party plates.. someone might bring in salmonella laced salami. Then there are kids birthdays in school classrooms, these mongrels have little regard for personal hygiene. /sarcasm
Food handling legislation does not cover these either...
HOWEVER - public liability laws, personal injury laws etc - DOES cover any incident created by a STRAVidiot. Further legislation will probably just confuse the issue.
I feel the point of the article in the OP is to tell STRAVidiots to think about this - not calling for legislation because the legislation is already in place.
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby jacks1071 » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:53 pm
I'm sure thats the heart of the problem Jason.jasonc wrote:common sense is no longer commonjacks1071 wrote:Unforunately some people don't have enough common sense to prevent them from hurting themselves or others.
You can't protect those people though, everything will be dangerous to them.
I'm determined to try and ingrain as much common sense as I can into my kids. They won't grow up with as much freedom as I had as a youngster but they are well ahead of most their peers.
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Postby danny the boy » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:59 pm
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby il padrone » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:56 pm
When you said "buy a round of drinks" I assumed you'd be at a pub or bar. In these premises rules on responsible serving of alcohol certainly do apply, in addition to licencing laws.Kenzo wrote:I don't know why you are 'poking your tongue out' at me (emoticon)... when you have not addressed the issues - a round of drinks for your mates is not covered by alcohol rules - when it is at a park, at a backyard BBQ...
You've evidently never been involved in food service in a school setting in recent times. It certainly does cover the classroom situation.Kenzo wrote:Food handling legislation does not cover these either...
But we are straying off.
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: Time out call for competitive cycling app Strava
Postby jimsheedy » Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:49 pm
Oh god I hope so.il padrone wrote:
But we are straying off.
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