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damhooligan wrote:

Kenzo wrote:But an empty highway presents an opportunity...

I take it you like fishing???

I take it you like to duck and weave to deflect blame?

Open highway. Two vehicles ... One crashes due to the speeding race that just materialized out of the opportunity... The opportunity provided by the government building such an open piece of highway! Call the lawyers.... I'm wanting a piece of that action.

Kenzo wrote:

damhooligan wrote:

Kenzo wrote:But an empty highway presents an opportunity...

I take it you like fishing???

I take it you like to duck and weave to deflect blame?

Open highway. Two vehicles ... One crashes due to the speeding race that just materialized out of the opportunity... The opportunity provided by the government building such an open piece of highway! Call the lawyers.... I'm wanting a piece of that action.

Funny thing, there are laws limiting the government's liability in this sort of situation. Somewhere in the Civil Liability Act, I believe.

Like a disclaimer?

Kenzo wrote:

damhooligan wrote:

Kenzo wrote:But an empty highway presents an opportunity...

I take it you like fishing???

I take it you like to duck and weave to deflect blame?

Open highway. Two vehicles ... One crashes due to the speeding race that just materialized out of the opportunity... The opportunity provided by the government building such an open piece of highway! Call the lawyers.... I'm wanting a piece of that action.

I prefer ducks over fish...

That's why highways have speedlimits...

... and all of us have a duty of care .

Cmmonsense has gone out the window these days because all the lefty do gooders having a peice of paper drawn up by some fool with to much time on their hands saying we can/can't do this that and the other thing, without being inducted. :roll

Plus don't forget the litigous society we live in because some twit decided because he was not told, that if they travel to fast and they fall off, they will be hurt more. Give me a bloody break, that's why we have a brain is it not???????????

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damhooligan wrote: So technically it is illegal unless yu have a permit.

But riding to strava isn't racing.

I would like to see stats on cyclist deaths and injuries before and after Strava. I would then like to get some sort of a handle on any increase in health outcomes post Strava.

I am in both categories. I love Strava and have been stupid enough to come off on a downhill segment defending my KOM. I'm also new to riding (6months) and Strava has been instrumental in motivating me. I had previously not been in anyway active for 15 years. I'm fitter now then ever and 8kg's lighter. I know I'm a million times healthier, happier, a better dad and a better husband.

Now I know that's not all Strava's doing but just as much credit should go Strava's way for motivating me, as blame for my crash.

Lets not throw the baby out with the bath water.

If it wasn't Strava it would be MapMyRide or Runkeeper or Endomodo.

If people can't take responsibility, you can't blame an internet site.

I think Strava is a fantastic site and it is probably prolonging my life by encouraging me to ride, get fit and stay healthy. But as I said at the top, if it wasn't Strava, it would be another site.

I am not young enough and strong enough to be able to speed unless it is a 10% descent!

skull wrote:

damhooligan wrote: So technically it is illegal unless yu have a permit.

But riding to strava isn't racing.

Ummm, some other bloke rides a set course over a certain time which you decide to beat and it's not racing?
IIRC, there's a couple of stages of that big French race run on that exact same format every year.

Of course, with no money involved the sensible ones can ride to the conditions not the clock

^^^only if you are trying to beat or better yourself on a segment.
Otherwise it is just somewhere you log rides so others can see. Comment on their rides if you like.
I use it a lot when I am traveling... easily find all the best places (and people) to ride in a new area in about 5 seconds flat etc etc.
It isn't all about KOM's... and racing, well most people aren't breaking any laws to better their KOM times anyway. I think someone would have a hard time proving you were racing when you are quite possibly riding solo well under the speed limit.
If you are going to post a BMC rider in relation to strava then better you post this one .

Mulger bill wrote:the sensible ones can ride to the conditions not the clock

The sensible ones can do both, that hasn't changed because of strava.

In my opinion, a KOM segment should be for an uphill segment.

Although its nice to compare times for sprints or loops, it wouldn't bother me if they removed the KOM feature from these type of segments. Removing them from downhill sections seems a no brainer.. Perhaps they could still be segments, but there would be no KOM or PB’s for it?

As much as I agree that everyone should be responsible for their own actions, some people just lack common sense, and measures should be put in place to restrict them. After all, their accidents can affect us either indirectly through costs in healthcare or directly by injuring us in their accident

vbplease wrote:In my opinion, a KOM segment should be for an uphill segment.

Although its nice to compare times for sprints or loops, it wouldn't bother me if they removed the KOM feature from these type of segments. Removing them from downhill sections seems a no brainer.. Perhaps they could still be segments, but there would be no KOM or PB’s for it?

As much as I agree that everyone should be responsible for their own actions, some people just lack common sense, and measures should be put in place to restrict them. After all, their accidents can affect us either indirectly through costs in healthcare or directly by injuring us in their accident

You can flag a segment as dangerous. I don't bother trying to go for any records on a downhill segment, I just ride them at a pace that I judge to be safe.

I blame Garmin for giving us to technology to enable us to use Strava

rockdoctor wrote:I blame Garmin for giving us to technology to enable us to use Strava

Don't forget Apple and the other dozen smart phone manufacturers that allow Strava to exist within their app ecosystem.

I blame the internets.

Time to disconnect everyone to stop this behavior

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Now this thread is starting to reflect the foolishness of blaming strava for peoples deaths or foolish behaviour.

I blamed the power company the govt should do something to control them!!! But hey I'm a socialist the govt should control everything NOT...........

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I didn't think of blaming the children.

It is obviously their fault. Time to ban kids.

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Marty Moose wrote:Now this thread is starting to reflect the foolishness of blaming strava for peoples deaths or foolish behaviour.

To be competitive, to be faster, stronger, or smarter than those we consider part of our “tribe” is built into the human psyche as a survival of the fittest mechanism.

Laws as a general rule are designed to curb the more outlandish and dangerous behavior in this regard, and aim to modify behavior to the extent that a more harmonious existence is possible between the members of the tribe, limiting damage to self and others.

Competitions are an organised event, suchs as in sports with their own rules and umpires, again to minimise dangerous behavior.

Then there is Strava

Ban bicycles for enabling people to compete against each other at break neck speeds. Dangerous bloody devices.

http://www.wallisandmatilda.com.au/mulg ... ycle.shtml

greyhoundtom wrote:If Strava is simply a place where you upload your rides, and one that simply places the fastest ride over a given distance at the top, no there is no way you could hold Strava responsible for the actions of riders trying to get the fastest time.

If however Strava emailed or notified a rider when they have lost their top spot, and encouraged them to better their time to regain that top spot, they then share some responsibility for the actions taken by that rider.

There's two angles here I think:

My view: I don't see how this logic stands up. If you were of sound mind and I say to you, "I did 4mins30 down Mt Pleasant on Saturday morning, I wonder if you could beat it?" there's no way I'd share the responsibility if you came off on the descent. For the same reasons that I wouldn't share the responsibility if I said to you "i wonder how many times you'd need to punch that bloke before he hits the deck" and you went and did it. Would we be splitting the prison sentence between us? Of course not.

My understanding of the example in law: while you can be convicted of encouraging/assisting a crime (in the UK at least), it's complex, is part of the Serious Crime Act so doing 31km/h in a 30 zone isn't really the target, and nigh on impossible to make it stick and is only ever used to make an example of someone. So while Strava can have all the disclaimers in the world, when they post leaderboards with average speeds that exceed the speed limit, they could be seen to be encouraging a crime.

Overall: jesus christ, how abstract do people want to get about this? Personal responsibility always has to reign. I cycled into work, workmate asked me how long it took me, made a joke, the next day i came off going too fast, i give him a bill for my medical costs? If he posted that joke online is he responsible? I he tells everyone the joke is he responsible? if he tells everyone in front of me is he responsible? what's the difference between Strava and clubmates?

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