Point taken, but it depends on how often. Even, for example, a weekend to further a field once a month, hiring a car would probably work out significantly cheaper than owning one, although hiring does mean less spontaneity and, perhaps, convenience.RonK wrote:The OP is about living without a car. Even those living in urban area will want to travel further afield at some time. While some destinations will have transport options, many have none, so total car independence is unrealistic.simonn wrote:Australia has, however, one of the most urbanized populations in the world. Australian capital cities are reasonably densely populated, but do not have the public transport that cities with similar densities would have Europe.RonK wrote:It's pointless comparing a heavily populated postage stamp sized country with an entire large, sparsely populated continent.
It's not just the culture - the Australian economy depends on the motor car and that is unlikely to change.
A demographic shift may see some marginal decline in car use, but they are here to stay.
A bullet train from Coonabarabran to Birdsville is not expected, but that does not excuse the lack of public transport within, or maybe between, the capital cities.
Living Car Free in Australia
- simonn
- Posts: 3763
- Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:46 am
- Location: Sydney
Re: Living Car Free in Australia
Postby simonn » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:28 pm
- queequeg
- Posts: 6483
- Joined: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:09 am
Re: Living Car Free in Australia
Postby queequeg » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:44 pm
I lived in Tokyo for 4 years as a teenager. We had to go through that to get a car, which was almost exclusively used by my dad when he had to travel to his office outside of Tokyo. If he was working at the city office he would catch the train.Joeblake wrote:I suppose one could be grateful to be not living in Japan.
http://www.alientimes.org/Main/BuyingAndSellingACar" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
One time my dad had a brilliant idea...."let's go for a drive to Mt Fuji". It was an eventful day in the countryside. Pouring rain, low cloud, restaurants with no menus in English (much hilarity when my sister ordered what she thought were chicken nuggets but were in fact oyster nuggets!), but the highlight of the day was arriving at the back of a 100km long traffic jam! 6 hours we spent stuck on a freeway. We even got out and walked to the next rest stop and feasted on vending machine microwave hamburgers and steaming cup noodles.
After that horrid experience I refused anymore day trips in the car. Strictly trains, walking and bicycles!
You are truly mad if you drive a car in Tokyo. The train system is so good in Tokyo that nowhere is too far to reach, and you don't need a timetable to plan your trip just in case you miss a connecting service and end up waiting an hour for another train. During peak hour on some lines you can catch a train about 30 seconds after the previous one has left!
Now, back in Sydney I am putting km on the bike faster than the car. The car had an 18 month head start on me, but we're now only 8,000km apart. I ride about 12,000km a year so I should catch up later this year.
I can't do without the car though. We'd be stuck in suburbgatory without it. You can't even easily walk out of our area due to there being no footpath. Even pedestrians are neglected by councils. The local park only has a road entrance without a footpath. No access for parents with prams due to there only being a staircase, with the only other access to the park requiring you to walk an extra 400m and cross the road four times!
'11 Lynskey Cooper CX, '00 Hillbrick Steel Racing (Total Rebuild '10), '16 Cervelo R5, '18 Mason BokekTi
- RonK
- Posts: 11508
- Joined: Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:08 pm
- Location: If you need to know, ask me
- Contact:
Re: Living Car Free in Australia
Postby RonK » Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:03 pm
Yes, absolutely, it would be much cheaper for me to rent than to own my car, which, as I've already posted, has covered less than 10,000kms in almost 3 years. But I'm simply not prepared to forgo the convenience.simonn wrote:Point taken, but it depends on how often. Even, for example, a weekend to further a field once a month, hiring a car would probably work out significantly cheaper than owning one, although hiring does mean less spontaneity and, perhaps, convenience.
Cycle touring blog and tour journals: whispering wheels...
Return to “General Cycling Discussion”
Jump to
- General Australian Cycling Topics
- Info / announcements
- Buying a bike / parts
- General Cycling Discussion
- The Bike Shed
- Cycling Health
- Cycling Safety and Advocacy
- Women's Cycling
- Bike & Gear Reviews
- Cycling Trade
- Stolen Bikes
- Bicycle FAQs
- The Market Place
- Member to Member Bike and Gear Sales
- Want to Buy, Group Buy, Swap
- My Bikes or Gear Elsewhere
- Serious Biking
- Audax / Randonneuring
- Retro biking
- Commuting
- MTB
- Recumbents
- Fixed Gear/ Single Speed
- Track
- Electric Bicycles
- Cyclocross and Gravel Grinding
- Dragsters / Lowriders / Cruisers
- Children's Bikes
- Cargo Bikes and Utility Cycling
- Road Racing
- Road Biking
- Training
- Time Trial
- Triathlon
- International and National Tours and Events
- Cycle Touring
- Touring Australia
- Touring Overseas
- Touring Bikes and Equipment
- Australia
- Western Australia
- New South Wales
- Queensland
- South Australia
- Victoria
- ACT
- Tasmania
- Northern Territory
- Country & Regional
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: 2wheels_mond, A_P, Cyclophiliac, Majestic-12 [Bot]
- All times are UTC+10:00
- Top
- Delete cookies
About the Australian Cycling Forums
The Australian Cycling Forums is a welcoming community where you can ask questions and talk about the type of bikes and cycling topics you like.
Bicycles Network Australia
Forum Information
Connect with BNA
Brought to you by Bicycles Network Australia | © 1999 - 2024 | Powered by phpBB ®
This website uses affiliate links to retail platforms including ebay, amazon, proviz and ribble.
This website uses affiliate links to retail platforms including ebay, amazon, proviz and ribble.