Re: Should I make a complaint?
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:54 pm
i would have probably cut his head off and fed it to my family for dinner.
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It's no more an excuse than SMIDSY. The ute is a contributor to the outcome here too. The driver has stopped over the line and in the bike box which doesn't help - the green box is supposed to put bikes ahead of motor vehicles. Crap driving all round.g-boaf wrote:The driver probably wouldn't have known where you intended to go
It's better to be alive than what's supposed to happen. Fact is, both motor drivers and cyclists break those "supposed" rules all the time. Take precautions accordingly when riding and driving. In any case, the way the lanes are marked, the turning vehicle there is entitled to sit across the green, no different to cyclists claiming a lane to avoid misunderstanding.RobertFrith wrote:...the green box is supposed to put bikes ahead of motor vehicles.
Then I would have jumped on the ute's bonnet and smashed the windscreen.munga wrote:or maybe i would have ridden around the front of the ute (if i thought i had plenty of time to do so) to the head of the queue and avoided both numptys driving in the bike lane.
maybe even given the ute driver a bit of the eye.
you know the look.
yeah.
that one.
from http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/safety/queens ... rules.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Shared bicycle lane for left turn
This arrangement is used at certain intersections to indicate a "shared" lane. As long as a motorist gives way to any cyclists on the "shared" lane, they are allowed to travel on part of a green bicycle lane for a short distance, in order to turn left at an upcoming intersection. The "Share bicycle lane for left turn" sign indicates the point where drivers are permitted to enter the bicycle lane to prepare for a left turn.
+ 1sogood wrote:Tough one. Given you were resting on the kerb and leaning left, it's easy to interpret you were intending to go left or making a stop. In future, stay in the centre of the bike lane or even into the motor lane and make your intention (going straight) absolutely clear. I would even make a hand signal to the driver behind. Ride defensive and ride big!
Don't bother making a complaint, at best, both driver and cyclist are 50% at blame.Apple wrote:+ 2sogood wrote:Tough one. Given you were resting on the kerb and leaning left, it's easy to interpret you were intending to go left or making a stop. In future, stay in the centre of the bike lane or even into the motor lane and make your intention (going straight) absolutely clear. I would even make a hand signal to the driver behind. Ride defensive and ride big!
Not so sure on that.RobertFrith wrote:...the green box is supposed to put bikes ahead of motor vehicles.
yup, exactly!Mustang wrote:Ride in the gutter (around intersections & roundabouts) & you will be treated as such, as reported above take the lane & make your intention positive.Alistair wrote:You need to put yourself in front and to the right of the car indicating that it is turning left. It isn't rocket science. Winging won't achieve anything, and surely it would be common sense to avoid any situation that requires a courier to ever give way?
Even if the van was going straight ahead, waiting on the other side of the ute gives you much more control.
Just slip through the gap and put yourself in the straight ahead lane next time.
Not as far as the NSW road rules are concerned...roobab wrote: You are clearly in the wrong.
Is this a verifiable statement? I know that one is at fault to filter to the left of a left turning vehicle but not sure what the status is if there's a green cycle lane. Would be most interested in knowing. At the same time, one has to be practical when it comes to rules. Do what will keep oneself alive, not rules that should keep oneself alive.sumgy wrote:...in general you cannot overtake a left turning vehicle whether you are in a green box or not.
It's not motorsport related. It's a public road and you lot are making up excuses for crap driving.Lukeyboy wrote:If it was motorsport related I'd call it a racing accident.
Why? Because a complaint will only carry weight if there's clear responsibility. In this case, there are ambiguities in the actions of both parties and a complaint will only generate animosity.RobertFrith wrote:...but why should we always compensate for other people's (drivers') laziness? Make a complaint to Direct Couriers. Make a difference.
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/safety/queens ... eping-left" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;sogood wrote:Is this a verifiable statement? I know that one is at fault to filter to the left of a left turning vehicle but not sure what the status is if there's a green cycle lane. Would be most interested in knowing. At the same time, one has to be practical when it comes to rules. Do what will keep oneself alive, not rules that should keep oneself alive.sumgy wrote:...in general you cannot overtake a left turning vehicle whether you are in a green box or not.
There is a separate topic about green boxes as you call them but this seems specific to crossing through the bike lane to get to a left turn lane.You must:
[*]not overtake another vehicle on the left if that vehicle is turning left and giving a left change of direction signal
Bicycles can overtake to the left of a vehicle unless:
[*]the vehicle is signalling to turn left
[*]it is unsafe to do so.
The green lane is a shared space.Lukeyboy wrote:If it was motorsport related I'd call it a racing accident. Both parties are at fault. The guy in the ute didn't help out by blocking both lanes. If anything they should extend the stopping positon for cars futher back so a rider can overtake the stopped car and be at the front of the queue or atleast fill in that bit of extra road to the left with green paint. Waiting at the lights you were sort of indicating informally to go left and when you took off you were leaning/riding to the left of the lane. The driver could have then assumed that you were going left aswell. The van driver should also have waited until you made your position clear instead of overtaking you in the intersection.You could also have claimed the vehicle lane to the right of the ute, overtook the ute and claimed the bikelane or even just held back behind the van.
I'd say sit back. Put your feet up. Put on some good Pink Floyd. Grab a beer and an air guitar. And just forget about it.
To the OP, if it was me I would have taken a position to the right of that ute.Shared bicycle lane for left turn
This arrangement is used at certain intersections to indicate a "shared" lane. As long as a motorist gives way to any cyclists on the "shared" lane, they are allowed to travel on part of a green bicycle lane for a short distance, in order to turn left at an upcoming intersection. The "Share bicycle lane for left turn" sign indicates the point where drivers are permitted to enter the bicycle lane to prepare for a left turn.