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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:03 pm
by Nobody
il padrone wrote:This sort of $10K bike may make more of a difference in most situations except long mountain climbs :wink:.
Probably right, especially where I ride. But I'll wait until I've collected more long-term injuries before heading over to 'bent-land. :)

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:04 pm
by TMjpn
:) Some folk are just really fond of serious bike porn, enough justification to run a dogma with millenstein tubulars for the sat morn coffee run. It's like a thick gold chain around your neck.

I've mixed it with our more silver haired, Eastern Suburban folk, and some I know are like this.. Hell there a whole group ride based around being the slower guys doing an easy, non hilly ride, but the quality of machines isn't anything to sneeze at :D Sure they aren't the quickest around but they are passionate about it. Some volunteer for the Heffron crits and are active memebrs of their respective area CC's.

Generally, the guys who are rude about the whole "Uber bike" bike things are guys who buy the bike for status points and the pose value in Paddington/King Cross after the ride.

Anyway, take your dyed in the wool I-ties. Love a bit of the whole colnago/pinarello/ducati/ferrari thing cos its the pride of the national identity, and that accounts for sales!

Here in aus, aside from the obligatory southern cross sticker or tattoo and holdens..what brands do we have that we'd truely love to flaunt.

Can't say theres a poster of an MStar or Apollo hanging on my garage wall at home.

On that note I propose a solution - Dick Smith's Aussie Bikes.

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:08 pm
by il padrone
TMjpn wrote:Here in aus, aside from the obligatory southern cross sticker or tattoo and holdens..what brands do we have that we'd truely love to flaunt.

Hills Hoists ???

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:mrgreen: :P

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:12 pm
by TMjpn
il padrone wrote:Hills Hoists ???

:mrgreen: :P


"Mate that's a nice hills hoist you got there but you're really should ditch that mechanical gearing and get yourself some electronic... Also, no one uses Steel wires any more vinyl rope is soo much lighter, helps you raise it heaps faster" :P

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:19 pm
by MisuVir
TMjpn wrote:"Mate that's a nice hills hoist you got there but you're really should ditch that mechanical gearing and get yourself some electronic... Also, no one uses Steel wires any more vinyl rope is soo much lighter, helps you raise it heaps faster" :P


The pros all use clothes dryers. Once you've achieved that level of performance, you look back at all the slobs using their slow-drying hoists and realise that you're completely different from them. They think "hey, we're all just drying clothes, right?", but you know that it just isn't true.

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:25 pm
by Dan
Daccordi Rider wrote:
Dan wrote:Hey hey hey! The title says Hipsters, not me! I have a flanno, sorry, PLAID, shirt too, you know :)


My shirt is made out of a cool new fabric, but you wouldn"t have ever heard of it so I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain it.



Its called 'obscuro' - 50% fair trade cacao husk fibre, 25% beard hair, 25% fluoro cotton.

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:29 pm
by TMjpn
MisuVir wrote:
TMjpn wrote:"Mate that's a nice hills hoist you got there but you're really should ditch that mechanical gearing and get yourself some electronic... Also, no one uses Steel wires any more vinyl rope is soo much lighter, helps you raise it heaps faster" :P


The pros all use clothes dryers. Once you've achieved that level of performance, you look back at all the slobs using their slow-drying hoists and realise that you're completely different from them. They think "hey, we're all just drying clothes, right?", but you know that it just isn't true.


Hahahaha fair point! :mrgreen:

"Bahahaha - You use a hoover??... I spose' it isn't an LG. Cheap Korean crap those. Not like a genuine Italian DeLonghi, I tell you those italians put pure craftsmanship passed down over decades in thier dryers"

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:34 pm
by Daccordi Rider
Dan wrote:
Daccordi Rider wrote:
Dan wrote:Hey hey hey! The title says Hipsters, not me! I have a flanno, sorry, PLAID, shirt too, you know :)


My shirt is made out of a cool new fabric, but you wouldn"t have ever heard of it so I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain it.



Its called 'obscuro' - 50% fair trade cacao husk fibre, 25% beard hair, 25% fluoro cotton.


Ahh, but you see my shirt also contains 5% unobtanium.

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:40 pm
by Dan
Daccordi Rider wrote:Ahh, but you see my shirt also contains 5% unobtanium.


That's because hipsters are 5% more awesome than regular folk.

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:49 pm
by Daccordi Rider
Fair call dude.

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:51 pm
by il padrone
I have a road jersey with 15% diuretic sulphides.


No-one ever wants to suck my wheel :lol:

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:57 pm
by Dan
Daccordi Rider wrote:Fair call dude.


Dude!


Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:57 pm
by Daccordi Rider
Padrone

So that's what happened to Frank Schleck.....

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:58 pm
by RonK
Dan wrote:Wheezing/price of your bike matrix coming up. Stay tuned.

Hehe - yes, I think that sums it up pretty well Dan. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:01 pm
by Dan
Thought you'd like it, Ron :)

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:07 pm
by Daccordi Rider
Dan wrote:
Daccordi Rider wrote:Fair call dude.


Dude!



Dude!
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:14 pm
by boss
Daccordi Rider wrote:Dude!
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Best post in this thread.

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:41 pm
by Dan
I think you finally killed the thread.
You didn't even have to mention Nazis - bravo, sir!

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:50 pm
by il padrone
Nah.




She's not there - he's giving a 'high-five' to a wall poster :P

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:27 pm
by KenGS
MisuVir wrote:
TMjpn wrote:"Mate that's a nice hills hoist you got there but you're really should ditch that mechanical gearing and get yourself some electronic... Also, no one uses Steel wires any more vinyl rope is soo much lighter, helps you raise it heaps faster" :P


The pros all use clothes dryers. Once you've achieved that level of performance, you look back at all the slobs using their slow-drying hoists and realise that you're completely different from them. They think "hey, we're all just drying clothes, right?", but you know that it just isn't true.

You have an e-dryer and you call yourself a pro? :shock: :shock:

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:30 pm
by KenGS
And speaking of songs this one comes to mind

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:31 am
by Ross
boss wrote:
:roll:

My comment was in regards to the riders who didn't say hello nor return my hellos. I couldn't care less what bikes other people ride, nor how fast they go, nor how often they ride. I'll say hi all the same.

If you're looking to get a rise out of someone where they justify their actions to the nth degree for the benefit of the internet, go bark up someone else's tree.


boss wrote:You guys are a bunch of numpties that want to get upset about something.

Il Padrone is smack bang on the money here. I'm not calling you an numpty IP - you're alright!



Not looking to get a "rise" out of you or anyone else and not upset about anything, I thought I was having a discussion about the topic of snobbery among different groups of bike riders but all I seem to be getting in return from you is smart comments and name calling. Again you are doing what you are accusing other people of. Perhaps if we are all (except il padrone of course) "numpties" here then maybe this forum isn't for you.

Regarding the waving or nodding or saying hello to other riders that are passed I think it's a "thing" that people generally nod/wave etc at other similar type people. Generally a guy (or girl) on a large 1200cc road motorbike wouldn't nod or wave at a moped or perhaps a trail bike but he might at another large road bike. years ago (I don't think it happens much any more) if you owned say a Peugeot and you saw another one (especially if it was the same colour and configuration) you might wave or flash your headlights at it as a form of greeting (nowdays flashing headlights is usually a sign there is a cop or speed camera up ahead). I see bus drivers wave and nod to each other as I see truckies do it too. A driver of a B-double truck is probably not going to nod or wave to a 3 ton truck or someone driving a Holden Commodore, the same as the 3 ton truck and the Commodore drivers aren't going to wave to a B-double. I don't see it as being snobby, it's just a bond of sorts of people with similar transport.

Though saying that there is a local hill which I like to ride and do repeats on and it seems to be popular of late with walkers as well. There is this one guy I see there regualrly so as I'm grunting up the hill I give a nod and receive one back. I guess we have a bond of sorts because we are both out at stupid o'clock in the morning walking and riding to keep fit.

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:12 am
by il padrone
Ross wrote:Regarding the waving or nodding or saying hello to other riders that are passed I think it's a "thing" that people generally nod/wave etc at other similar type people....

....A driver of a B-double truck is probably not going to nod or wave to a 3 ton truck or someone driving a Holden Commodore, the same as the 3 ton truck and the Commodore drivers aren't going to wave to a B-double. I don't see it as being snobby, it's just a bond of sorts of people with similar transport.

The problem (snobbery and failure to relate to others) is very much a city and town thing. As the density of people and frequency of interactions increases people get contact-fatigue and try to identify a more restricted 'in-group' for themselves. Out in the country, and in particular the real country - out north of the Flinders Ranges, the outback - B-double drivers would happily wave to a guy on a bike, truckies in 3 ton trucks wave at drivers of cars and motor-homes, cyclists wave at 4WD drivers. Even in the towns people walking wave at a strange cyclist on the streets

The culture is very different, but shaped by the infrequent interactions.

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:00 am
by cyclotaur
il padrone wrote:The problem (snobbery and failure to relate to others) is very much a city and town thing. As the density of people and frequency of interactions increases people get contact-fatigue and try to identify a more restricted 'in-group' for themselves. ....etc..
The culture is very different *(out in the country), but shaped by the infrequent interactions.

Interesting theory, and I agree to an extent, but I think each cyclist's experience is very subjective. And I'd say that snobbery and contact fatigue are very different things, with the second often being mistaken for the first by more extroverted and social personalities (or the 'look-at-me' types) who may be liable to take any perceived snub personally.

And though many do, not everyone needs an 'in-group' identity, even if their activity, appearance or behaviour might tempt us to pigeonhole them as such. That's just people trying to make sense of the world around them, I think. :wink:

One of the reasons some people go bike touring is precisely to occasionally escape the constant buzz, stereotyping and unwanted (for them) social contact of the city.

*My italics...

Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:06 am
by __PG__
il padrone wrote:This sort of $10K bike may make more of a difference in most situations except long mountain climbs :wink: .

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Aren't they closer to $20K?

Nice ride though.

I used to be very disparaging about the 10K club..unfortunately the latest bike budget got completely out of control and I'm about to join them :oops:
My justification? It's my first new bike in 19 years, and hopefully it will last at least 10 years so it's not a complete waste of money.