Re: The War on the Roads - TV - Sunday night
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:57 pm
Calling the report "Cyclists vs. Motorists" doesn't help the issue.
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Reduces, not prevents. I ride very assertively, predictably and confidently, but it doesn't stop impatient motorists from doing silly things, only reduces the occurrences.il padrone wrote:I mostly just get out on the road and ride. When I'm commuting I am just trying to get through any traffic as safely as possible, following the road rules, and get to work. I don't see any cyclists V motorists issue - all road users are just out there, going about their business.
'Crazy motorists' usually come about from two sources 1. crazy cyclists, and 2. whimpering gutter-hugging cyclists. Assertive but responsible riding is what prevents the crazy motorist scenario, in my experience.
il padrone wrote:I mostly just get out on the road and ride. When I'm commuting I am just trying to get through any traffic as safely as possible, following the road rules, and get to work. I don't see any cyclists V motorists issue - all road users are just out there, going about their business.
'Crazy motorists' usually come about from two sources 1. crazy cyclists, and 2. whimpering gutter-hugging cyclists. Assertive but responsible riding is what prevents the crazy motorist scenario, in my experience.
If someone hates bicycle riders - then your strategy won't work. They will still be able to run you over or throw bottles at you, or otherwise close shave you when they overtake.il padrone wrote:I mostly just get out on the road and ride. When I'm commuting I am just trying to get through any traffic as safely as possible, following the road rules, and get to work. I don't see any cyclists V motorists issue - all road users are just out there, going about their business.
'Crazy motorists' usually come about from two sources 1. crazy cyclists, and 2. whimpering gutter-hugging cyclists. Assertive but responsible riding is what prevents the crazy motorist scenario, in my experience.
+1jcjordan wrote:It still amazes me how much amosity there is between the two parties in Brisbane.
Having ridden in every capital city in Australia (except Perth) I have never seen this level of conflict.
i don't want to be an apologist for ch.7, but i'm a bit confused why you would give them footage that you didn't want them to show? surely the reason they asked for it was to use it?AUbicycles wrote:I am pretty disgusted to see them promote this segment as "Cyclists are coackroaches of the Road" - a statement from Darren Hinch. While this is a statement true to the character, quality and class of Darren Hinch - it is pure sensationalism.
In your case Cowcorner, I agree with trailgumby and for them to publicise your footage without permission demonstrates the quality.
I'm Sydney - and it happens here too. I don't say much about it as it is just accepted and that's the way it is. Otherwise you become the proverbial Lycra wearing pansy cyclist with a deluded sense of entitlement.il padrone wrote:+1jcjordan wrote:It still amazes me how much amosity there is between the two parties in Brisbane.
Having ridden in every capital city in Australia (except Perth) I have never seen this level of conflict.
I've ridden in every city except Brisbane. I've never struck the sort of blatant aggression that g-boaf describes. The prospect of some crazy driver simply running me down when I'm riding responsibly on the road just does not enter into my thinking. Certainly having returned recently from Italian roads, it would be inconceivable over there!
I guess it all comes down to the simple fact - it's Queensland
I used to live in 'Lisbef (Elizabeth) and I can tell you it'd take serious balls to ride anywhere in the mid-outer north. I did a 6 month stint at a components factory and commuted by bike for 2 weeks before getting a car instead. The last straw, after many near misses and daily abuse, was wearing a half-eaten sausage mcmuffin thrown from an unregistered and apparently stolen vehicle (so the police told me) full of drugged up teenagers. While there are some nice people who work at Holden, the area really is the final frontier and people regularly get fired for repeat hoon driving offences as they leave the factory gates.g-boaf wrote:And remember some Holden workers might be cyclists too.
there is sociological(?) research that concludes the fabric of society breaks down as social inequality grows. that is no more true than in poor, working class areas inhabited by shift workers who are treated as human robots (apologies if i'm offending anyone here). research claims these people are angry at society which breeds fat cats who drive BMWs and live in big houses, while they live hand-to-mouth. cyclists are heavily reliant on the fabric of society for the goodwill shown by motorists towards us on the road..lobstermash wrote:I used to live in 'Lisbef (Elizabeth) and I can tell you it'd take serious balls to ride anywhere in the mid-outer north. I did a 6 month stint at a components factory and commuted by bike for 2 weeks before getting a car instead. The last straw, after many near misses and daily abuse, was wearing a half-eaten sausage mcmuffin thrown from an unregistered and apparently stolen vehicle (so the police told me) full of drugged up teenagers. While there are some nice people who work at Holden, the area really is the final frontier and people regularly get fired for repeat hoon driving offences as they leave the factory gates.
I have done a lot of commuting in various cities and never come across any abuse or been shouted at. I have a road bike and wear various outfits but I am guessing some cyclists may attract abuse more than others, don't know.lobstermash wrote:I used to live in 'Lisbef (Elizabeth) and I can tell you it'd take serious balls to ride anywhere in the mid-outer north. I did a 6 month stint at a components factory and commuted by bike for 2 weeks before getting a car instead. The last straw, after many near misses and daily abuse, was wearing a half-eaten sausage mcmuffin thrown from an unregistered and apparently stolen vehicle (so the police told me) full of drugged up teenagers. While there are some nice people who work at Holden, the area really is the final frontier and people regularly get fired for repeat hoon driving offences as they leave the factory gates.g-boaf wrote:And remember some Holden workers might be cyclists too.
Perhaps, though I'm pretty sure that drugs have a large part to play.jules21 wrote: there is sociological(?) research that concludes the fabric of society breaks down as social inequality grows. that is no more true than in poor, working class areas inhabited by shift workers who are treated as human robots (apologies if i'm offending anyone here). research claims these people are angry at society which breeds fat cats who drive BMWs and live in big houses, while they live hand-to-mouth. cyclists are heavily reliant on the fabric of society for the goodwill shown by motorists towards us on the road..
I guess they have has to resort to Hinch now that Bruce Ruxton is dead.AUbicycles wrote:I am pretty disgusted to see them promote this segment as "Cyclists are coackroaches of the Road" - a statement from Darren Hinch. While this is a statement true to the character, quality and class of Darren Hinch - it is pure sensationalism.
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FTFY . I live on the Sunshine Coast and have ridden around the Darling Downs, GC hinterland as well and very VERY rarely have any sort of issue with cars, I can't remember ever having something thrown at me and have only once had a car deliberately close shave me. I only get the odd yell from a bogan (maybe 5 or 6 times a year if that) and occasionally have a vehicle pass a bit closer than i'd like. I can still count on one hand the incidents of cars failing to give way or cutting in front.il padrone wrote:+1jcjordan wrote:It still amazes me how much amosity there is between the two parties in Brisbane.
Having ridden in every capital city in Australia (except Perth) I have never seen this level of conflict.
I've ridden in every city except Brisbane. I've never struck the sort of blatant aggression that g-boaf describes. The prospect of some crazy driver simply running me down when I'm riding responsibly on the road just does not enter into my thinking. Certainly having returned recently from Italian roads, it would be inconceivable over there!
I guess it all comes down to the simple fact - it's BRISBANE
That is not part of the law in Australia. There is a fair dealing exception for the purposes of:g-boaf wrote:They'll probably try to claim fair use.Cowcorner wrote:OK guys - I need some serious advice here. I hate to say it but I was one of those naive enough to provide some footage for this. One of the pieces I provided was my accident earlier this year that I specifically asked the producer not to run without clearing it with me first - the reason being that BV were still following this up with the police on my behalf (as their initial response was not to charge the driver). This footage has never been cleared by me but I have noticed it is being used in the promo. What are my options here?
We're not all that bad...il padrone wrote:+1jcjordan wrote:It still amazes me how much amosity there is between the two parties in Brisbane.
Having ridden in every capital city in Australia (except Perth) I have never seen this level of conflict.
I've ridden in every city except Brisbane. I've never struck the sort of blatant aggression that g-boaf describes. The prospect of some crazy driver simply running me down when I'm riding responsibly on the road just does not enter into my thinking. Certainly having returned recently from Italian roads, it would be inconceivable over there!
I guess it all comes down to the simple fact - it's Queensland
Unfortunately I have to agree with VRE. There are crazy ones out there (fortunately rare) who use their cars as weapons. You'll remember IP when I was struck with intent mid December 2009.VRE wrote:Reduces, not prevents. I ride very assertively, predictably and confidently, but it doesn't stop impatient motorists from doing silly things, only reduces the occurrences.il padrone wrote:I mostly just get out on the road and ride. When I'm commuting I am just trying to get through any traffic as safely as possible, following the road rules, and get to work. I don't see any cyclists V motorists issue - all road users are just out there, going about their business.
'Crazy motorists' usually come about from two sources 1. crazy cyclists, and 2. whimpering gutter-hugging cyclists. Assertive but responsible riding is what prevents the crazy motorist scenario, in my experience.