Dimis wrote: C'mon, don't kid yourself... science (bad or otherwise) can be quoted to prove almost anything. Go on, ask me how I know![]()
So... How do you know? Science doesn't ever 'prove' anything... It merely tests hypotheses
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Postby lobstermash » Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:25 am
Dimis wrote: C'mon, don't kid yourself... science (bad or otherwise) can be quoted to prove almost anything. Go on, ask me how I know![]()
Postby human909 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:34 am
Dimis wrote:Yes, quite seriously...
Lets play a hypothetical game.......
Postby Dimis » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:04 am
lobstermash wrote:Dimis wrote: C'mon, don't kid yourself... science (bad or otherwise) can be quoted to prove almost anything. Go on, ask me how I know![]()
So... How do you know? Science doesn't ever 'prove' anything... It merely tests hypotheses
Postby clackers » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:15 am
Timbo1 wrote: could not believe how much harder it was to ride a bike without clipless pedals.
Postby AP81 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:30 pm
Postby g-boaf » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:41 pm
clackers wrote:Timbo1 wrote: could not believe how much harder it was to ride a bike without clipless pedals.
From treating them initially as a novelty, I actually get irritated now when I find myself on a bike that doesn't have them.
Postby lobstermash » Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:15 pm
AP81 wrote:I have to agree with lobstermash.
Clipless for commuting with a lot of stop/starts almost negates the need for clipless. I clock almost identical times on my commute with or without clipless. If I had a unbroken commute (i.e. minimal traffic lights), I think there would be a difference.
I also find clipless teaches me "lazy" pedal habits, so I save my clipless for proper riding and commute exclusively on flats.
Postby Mulger bill » Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:19 pm
Dimis wrote:You have clipless, I'm without clipless
All else is equal...
Who do you think will get the cash?
Postby gorilla monsoon » Wed Sep 04, 2013 12:52 pm
Postby human909 » Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:26 pm
Postby Dimis » Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:01 pm
Postby human909 » Wed Sep 04, 2013 11:32 pm
Dimis wrote:Ok I'll concede that clipless might not be worth 5mins in 25km if its the first 25km, perhaps not even the middle 25km... But what if it were the last 25km after 100+km and those were up hill?
Clipless for me thanks![]()
...and Ill see you guys in 5mins. Haha :p
Enjoy.
Postby Dimis » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:25 am
Postby thomashouseman » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:42 am
human909 wrote:
Postby human909 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:15 am
Dimis wrote:The implication being that while grinding up a hill, the dude with clipless can recruit different muscles ie: pull the pedal up, resting their tired and lactate filled quads to allow for a second and third wind.
Dimis wrote:For the record - your right it is subjective to some point. But so are the differences between riding a road bike and a mtb. On a mtb there is little benefit to leaning forwards & jumping out of the saddle to push and accelerate. Most your energy is transferred into bouncing the travel in the suspension (at least in my case without a locking mechanism.) if I want to go faster on a mtb I need to shift weight to the back wheel for traction. So you're correct technique is everything, but specific to its intended requirement also.
Dimis wrote:Thanks for the graphs. But it's still clipless for me. No contest
thomashouseman wrote:Is this saying Elite Cyclists exert the same force on a pedal as non-cyclists? That's just wrong!
Postby lobstermash » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:05 pm
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Postby Timbo1 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:19 pm
Mulger bill wrote:Flat is painful, my shins don't need more scars.
Postby human909 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:32 pm
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