outnabike wrote:Hi Human 909 I understand your position, I just imagine my family trying to cross the road safely.
I reckon when a cyclist narrowly misses pedestrians and weaves through them just to run a light, the cyclist is advocating his freedom, but impinging on the freedom of folk to cross safely with out getting hit by a bike.
Of course I know you aren't advocating that situation though.
As you say I don't advocate riding dangerously around vulnerable road users. Also I personally don't see much bad behaviour amongst cyclists nor much cyclist and pedestrian conflict. Maybe it is just the media, but it seems to be more common in Sydney. In Melbourne I don't observe much conflict at all. (except for on Swanston St).
That said I, and hundreds of other cyclists daily routinely flout the "letter of the law" by riding through the pedestrian crossing at the southern end of Princess Park Drive. All I ever see is cyclists giving a sensible and wide berth to pedestrians. Ending a bike lane at a pedestrian crossing without bike lanterns is a recipe for innocuous law breaking.
The 2nd Womble wrote:I can hear someone winding up the key in the back of H909
Play the ball mate.
zero wrote:What I find remarkable about this whole issue is that at the exact same time on the exact same pedestrian crossing, cars are typically allowed to turn over the exact same pedestrian crossing during the phase where pedestrians are allowed to cross, and routinely fail to give way to pedestrians crossing and unlike cyclists, who have killed 1 person this decade doing this, motorists rack up mulitple fatalities per year failing to give way to pedestrians on these crossings and pedestrians get annoyed when a cyclist doesn't stop, but don't get annoyed when they are forced to jump out of the way of a device that actually is likely to seriously injure or kill them if they don't jump out of the way.
The whole "its more important that cyclists obey the law than it is that car drivers stop killing people" thing is really, really, really beginning to irk me.
I discovered that many motorists don't even know they are required to give way to pedestrians when turning at intersections. It came up in conversation and a few people insisted that pedestrians must always give way to cars on the road.
Pedestrian traffic lights? Oh, thats different was the response.