Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby kx315 » Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:33 am

Sorry should have mentioned the free wheel/hub bearings.....Part No. 6902x1 Part No. 6802x3
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby Storm Boy » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:12 pm

Are all the rear wheel bearings worn then?

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Postby kx315 » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:35 pm

Storm Boy wrote:Are all the rear wheel bearings worn then?
Yep one has failed completely the other two not far off......being a little uneducated on ceramic bearings not sure if 6000 km is reasonable or not?
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Postby cerb » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:50 pm

I've done a bit over 6000km and have wheels from the first delivery. I didn't get ceramic bearings though.

My wheels are fine - still spin nicely. 6000km seems low for them to be completely shot and in need of replacment. Could they just be serviced (pulled apart, re greased/packed and re-assembled)?

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Postby kx315 » Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:04 pm

cerb wrote:I've done a bit over 6000km and have wheels from the first delivery. I didn't get ceramic bearings though.

My wheels are fine - still spin nicely. 6000km seems low for them to be completely shot and in need of replacment. Could they just be serviced (pulled apart, re greased/packed and re-assembled)?
From what I am being advised no...(I do trust my mechanic)
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Postby cerb » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:40 pm

Shoot an email to SwissSide I reckon.

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Postby kx315 » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:43 pm

cerb wrote:Shoot an email to SwissSide I reckon.
Yea I may do, wheels are out of warranty I would be just curious to see what they believe the life should be. At this stage I will not replace with ceramic expensive change every 6000km or so.
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Postby cerb » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:55 pm

As it's the first batch from their 'trial' program. They may be nice and extend the warranty.. you never know!

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Postby kx315 » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:56 pm

cerb wrote:As it's the first batch from their 'trial' program. They may be nice and extend the warranty.. you never know!
Very valid point I will let you know how I go!!
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Postby Rambo » Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:09 pm

I have 4000 km+ on some early 625's with no apparent issues. I haven't looked at the bearings, but I found myself marvelling at how smooth they spin when on the hangar.

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Postby darkelf921 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:01 pm

I'm almost up to 20,000kms on mine. Early batch. I've purchased some ceramic bearings to put in but the original steel bearings are still fine.
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Postby Lukeyboy » Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:25 pm

Bearings are a wearing component. Rain, wind, dust, dirt, cleaning, degreaser etc etc will play a part in how quick they wear. Similar to a chain. Some can get 10,000km before it needs to be changed while others will be forced to change it after 200km.

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Postby kx315 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:31 pm

Lukeyboy wrote:Bearings are a wearing component. Rain, wind, dust, dirt, cleaning, degreaser etc etc will play a part in how quick they wear. Similar to a chain. Some can get 10,000km before it needs to be changed while others will be forced to change it after 200km.
Yes i fully understand that they are a wear/replaceable component. My question here and to Swissside is what would be a reasonable life expectancy for the ceramic bearing upgrade they offer and I have purchased. If 6000km is deemed to be acceptable so be it. Based on that and some research I have now conducted it would seem that it's an expensive upgrade for little benefit.

For the record Immaculately maintained bikes(wheels have been on two) dry weather use only.

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Postby warthog1 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:53 pm

I'd expect far more service life than that.
I guess you won't be replacing them with ceramic anyway.
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Postby kx315 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:28 pm

warthog1 wrote:I'd expect far more service life than that.
I guess you won't be replacing them with ceramic anyway.
Yep replaced with high quality Japanese bearings.
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Postby kx315 » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:06 pm

Received the below email from Swissside today for which I have thanked them for listening and the replacement parts. Very good service from them!

Hi Andrew.

Thanks a lot for your email and the photos! Nice bike!

Sorry that you’ve had some bearing issues. From the image, as we can see some rust, it looks like there has been some water ingress on the rear wheel. Unfortunately even if you don’t ride in the rain, water can get into the freehub mechanism during washing which is to be avoided. Normally we would expect a lot great mileage from bearings than this. We have test wheels with over 20’000km still running smoothly.

As it looks like you’ve got bearings out, we’re assuming that you’ve already had them changed. We’d be happy to send you another set of rear bearings as a replacement for the future. Also, we do have a new freehub seal in our 2016 spec of hubs so we can send you one of those too to upgrade your current one.

Please send us your current shipping address and we will have these sent to you asap.

Regards,
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Postby cerb » Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:09 am

Good response! Always worth contacting the manufacturer when something falls short of expectations!

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Postby kx315 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:05 pm

cerb wrote:Good response! Always worth contacting the manufacturer when something falls short of expectations!
As I explained to them in the my email I was not making a complaint as I was a happy Swissside customer. I was seeking clarification on bearing life and providing them with some real world customer feed back. Very happy with the way they handled it.......now that there is an upgraded free hub seal hopefully it wont be an issue in the future.
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Postby darkelf921 » Tue Aug 23, 2016 5:05 pm

After about 23,000km, I changed the standard bearings that came with my Hadrons with ceramic bearings. They are sensational. I got them from HSC Ceramics http://www.hscceramics.com.au/

They even sell ceramic bearings for bottom brackets. Well worth it.
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby Dave_C » Wed Aug 24, 2016 10:05 am

Which model suites the Hadrons? Worth knowing for when mine need doing
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Postby darkelf921 » Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:02 am

Dave_C wrote:Which model suites the Hadrons? Worth knowing for when mine need doing
Here is part of the email response from Swiss Side when I asked them. The information was exactly what HSC needed and they were able to send out the required bearings without any hassle or fuss. The quantity are correct as the Hadrons double up on the number of bearings compared to most other wheels.

All HADRON wheels are built with Enduro Bearings. The specs for the rear and front hubs are listed below:

Front:
• 688 (8 x 16 x 5) x 4 pcs
Rear:
• 6902 (15 x 28 x 7) x 1pcs
• 6802 (15 x 24 x 5) x 4pcs (2 for Freehub & 2 for Hub Body)
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