Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby Carrots » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:18 pm

No sleeper option :(

Voting done!

Edit: Option B for me.
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby AUbicycles » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:46 am

Swiss Side have now revealed 6 graphic design concepts and you can vote. I suggest voting the but also sharing your preference here - it will be interested to see if the consensus here is the same or different than the main results:

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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby warren.suen » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:35 pm

D as well it looks the best
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby scotto » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:57 pm

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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby scotto » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:59 pm

i was going to ask how they compare to say zipps / 808s but eventually found something about being more aero. Is this throughout all yaw angles ?
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby Dirty32 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:42 pm

Voted yesterday... Pretty sure I went with F.
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby Boognoss » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:28 pm

I'm a C. You guys are all weird :lol:

Did anyone else read the upside-down "Hadron" as "Hardon". Maybe my mind is too far down in the gutter.......
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby AUbicycles » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:49 pm

Reminder to me. Don't take Boognoss to the Hadrin Collider as he may get excited when the particles accelerate.
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby warthog1 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:35 pm

I went with E. If I had input I'd go more understated, smaller lettering and less graphics than any of the options displayed.
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby cerb » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:45 pm

I went with B as the best, F coming a close second and D third. The ones which don't have a symmetrical appearance don't do it for me!
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby cerb » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:46 pm

Boognoss - I actually put a note in the feedback about the letter swap my brain (also) does... Perhaps it's very well designed attention grabber!?
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby Boognoss » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:49 pm

cerb wrote:Boognoss - I actually put a note in the feedback about the letter swap my brain (also) does... Perhaps it's very well designed attention grabber!?


Nice, glad to know I'm not the only crazy one :)
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby andylo » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:33 pm

I am a B. Don't mind the C then the A. Then anything else.
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby AUbicycles » Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:32 pm

I had a closer look at D when putting my vote in and it is still a favourite because of the placement of the red logos however the repetition of SwissSide is too much. Once is enough.
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby NhiTrac » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:45 pm

B for me
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby Swiss_Side_Wheels » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:43 am

scotto wrote:i was going to ask how they compare to say zipps / 808s but eventually found something about being more aero. Is this throughout all yaw angles ?


Yes, the Zipp 808 was our benchmark wheel in the windtunnel. The Hadron matches it's drag throughout the yaw range within 1-2% but delays the stall point later, offering lower drag at those higher yaw (crosswind) angles. But the big effect is the 25% reduction in sideforce. This is worth significant performance and was specific performance wish from our pro as well as amateur Swiss Side riders. The higher the yaw angle the bigger the effect.
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby Gunlock » Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:21 pm

D for me as well.
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby Carrots » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:02 pm

Swiss_Side_Wheels wrote:
Yes, the Zipp 808 was our benchmark wheel in the windtunnel. The Hadron matches it's drag throughout the yaw range within 1-2% but delays the stall point later, offering lower drag at those higher yaw (crosswind) angles. But the big effect is the 25% reduction in sideforce. This is worth significant performance and was specific performance wish from our pro as well as amateur Swiss Side riders. The higher the yaw angle the bigger the effect.


In lay terms... 25% less sideforce, does that mean less drag/wind effect from side winds?
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby warthog1 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:46 pm

Carrots wrote:
In lay terms... 25% less sideforce, does that mean less drag/wind effect from side winds?


I reckon that means the wheels will be less affected by cross winds. I you ride deep carbon wheels in blustery conditions they can make it hard to hold the bike straight. I have some 85mm token tubulars that get blown around a fair bit in cross winds.
The swisside hadrons should be 25% better than 808's is my reading. Less affect on the steering.


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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby wizardhat » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:25 am

D is the best I reckon!
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby Swiss_Side_Wheels » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:37 am

Carrots wrote:
Swiss_Side_Wheels wrote:
Yes, the Zipp 808 was our benchmark wheel in the windtunnel. The Hadron matches it's drag throughout the yaw range within 1-2% but delays the stall point later, offering lower drag at those higher yaw (crosswind) angles. But the big effect is the 25% reduction in sideforce. This is worth significant performance and was specific performance wish from our pro as well as amateur Swiss Side riders. The higher the yaw angle the bigger the effect.


In lay terms... 25% less sideforce, does that mean less drag/wind effect from side winds?


Hey there. Yes, the 25% less sideforce means you won't get blown around as much on blustery days which is important when considering overall drag. The rider actually represents about 80% of the total drag. If you are getting blown around and constantly having to get out of your tucked aero position to correct and adjust, the drag consequences are huge! Our pro riders strongly pointed out the importance of reducing the effects of being blown about because it allows them to keep tucked and on the power. So we pushed to optimise for reduced sideforce and steering effects. (See the specific comments in the 'Optimisation Results' section of the Hadron CFD report: http://www.swissside.com/735 ).

In the end, in terms of real life drag performance, on a day where some wind is present, we are confident the Hadron will outperform any aero wheel on the market!
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby Carrots » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:02 am

Swiss_Side_Wheels wrote:
Hey there. Yes, the 25% less sideforce means you won't get blown around as much on blustery days which is important when considering overall drag. The rider actually represents about 80% of the total drag. If you are getting blown around and constantly having to get out of your tucked aero position to correct and adjust, the drag consequences are huge! Our pro riders strongly pointed out the importance of reducing the effects of being blown about because it allows them to keep tucked and on the power. So we pushed to optimise for reduced sideforce and steering effects. (See the specific comments in the 'Optimisation Results' section of the Hadron CFD report: http://www.swissside.com/735 ).

In the end, in terms of real life drag performance, on a day where some wind is present, we are confident the Hadron will outperform any aero wheel on the market!


That's what I thought - I'm over this aeronautical engineering thing like a kid in a lolly shop!

Pretty darn impressive really!


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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby paule11 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:12 pm

C as well very hard to chose
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby paule11 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:17 pm

Voted c very hard to pick a favourite
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Re: Get involved & VIP Test the Swiss Side Hadron Wheelset

Postby Summernight » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:16 pm

Love C. The rest are fine.
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