Punishment pass
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Punishment pass
Postby outnabike » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:48 pm
I have made a template on a garage door as a calibration and this car came well within the close range. It is just tape on a wall but it gives me some idea on the cameras angle of view from my bike.
I reckon I will take this incident into the police for review. I am in a two lane road and then get a punishment pass from a black Mazda Sedan with a white or silver bonnet.
This pic shows a close pass. Very deliberately done, and under hard acceleration.
I overlay the calibrated pic over and cut the opacity.
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby outnabike » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:58 pm
The pass shows the intent, and the angle of approach.
And the plate for good luck
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby g-boaf » Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:56 pm
TOF849 is apparently a grey VW sedan, also 2005.
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby outnabike » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:56 pm
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby cyclotaur » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:04 pm
Interesting post ....g-boaf wrote:TQF849 is a grey 2005 Mazda sedan.
TOF849 is apparently a grey VW sedan, also 2005.
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby bychosis » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:09 pm
I like the calibration lines, but think that having them on the ground would be more beneficial for determining the clearance at any range, not just at the distance that you are away from the door.
I now deliberately walk my bike up the same line in the driveway and can then relate the image to specific other lines in the drive if necessary. Having them on the ground will enable me to determine how wide the passer is at a range from immediately in front of the bike to a few metres in front.
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby Carrots » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:22 pm
That said ignorance doesn't excuse stupidity.
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby ValleyForge » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:32 pm
But it is a completely reckless passing manoeuvre.
I wonder if there is anyone in law enforcement or a plaintiff lawyer in the asylum here who might shed some light on what's admissible or robust in court.
Oh and how can you trace ownership from rego plates? I'm fascinated.
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby warthog1 » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:44 pm
I can't link it because I'm on tapatalk, however oxford recently put up a "plate search sites" post in the general discussion forum. That is how you can come up wit the car year and model based on a rego number.cyclotaur wrote:Interesting post ....g-boaf wrote:TQF849 is a grey 2005 Mazda sedan.
TOF849 is apparently a grey VW sedan, also 2005.
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby landyacht » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:48 pm
I would personally put this one down to ignorance and be glad the truck that passed before the mazda was that bit further out
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby Xplora » Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:17 pm
I feel car drivers have to choose much slower speed limits, or complete lane changes as a minimum. Anything less than half a lane means law broken. Bikes are supposed to be in the middle of the lane.
I understand where your frustration comes from, outna, but I reckon your body language has to say "I'm HERE, knuckleheads". I'm doing very little road riding lately, and ended up coming downhill on a very main drag in my area. Haven't had cars hassle me, but I'm also clearly trying to ride at the speed limit and change from this particular lane. I think cars realise that they aren't going to achieve anything passing certain riders, but feel they achieve something with other riders.
The only solution is stripping car rights, imo. Cyclists can't make them do anything, so the law must instead.
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby Nobody » Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:21 pm
viewtopic.php?t=77124&p=1151839#p1151670" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;warthog1 wrote:I can't link it because I'm on tapatalk, however oxford recently put up a "plate search sites" post in the general discussion forum. That is how you can come up wit the car year and model based on a rego number.
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby warthog1 » Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:29 pm
ThanksNobody wrote: viewtopic.php?t=77124&p=1151839#p1151670" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby g-boaf » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:11 pm
Don't worry - I didn't use any official systems to do it. I'm not part of the law-enforcement. There are some useful rego search websites put online by Govt. agencies.cyclotaur wrote:Interesting post ....g-boaf wrote:TQF849 is a grey 2005 Mazda sedan.
TOF849 is apparently a grey VW sedan, also 2005.
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Riding at the speed limit doesn't help all that much either. The MGIF mentality rules with some of these motorists. They'll waste their fuel and use their brakes heavily just to be ahead going into a roundabout. You just want to scream at them, why?!?!?Xplora wrote:but I'm also clearly trying to ride at the speed limit and change from this particular lane. I think cars realise that they aren't going to achieve anything passing certain riders, but feel they achieve something with other riders.
The only solution is stripping car rights, imo. Cyclists can't make them do anything, so the law must instead.
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby Tbanger » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:09 am
g-boaf wrote:Don't worry - I didn't use any official systems to do it. I'm not part of the law-enforcement. There are some useful rego search websites put online by Govt. agencies.cyclotaur wrote:Interesting post ....g-boaf wrote:TQF849 is a grey 2005 Mazda sedan.
TOF849 is apparently a grey VW sedan, also 2005.
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Riding at the speed limit doesn't help all that much either. The MGIF mentality rules with some of these motorists. They'll waste their fuel and use their brakes heavily just to be ahead going into a roundabout. You just want to scream at them, why?!?!?Xplora wrote:but I'm also clearly trying to ride at the speed limit and change from this particular lane. I think cars realise that they aren't going to achieve anything passing certain riders, but feel they achieve something with other riders.
The only solution is stripping car rights, imo. Cyclists can't make them do anything, so the law must instead.
which websites are they?? ( i would love to have access to those resources)
I am aware you work for the Government, are they Government sites or accessible to the public??
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby Cul » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:42 am
The VicRoads website has a registration enquiry service, that can provide details on vehicle make, model, vin, engine number and whether or not the vehicle is currently registered.Tbanger wrote: which websites are they?? ( i would love to have access to those resources)
I am aware you work for the Government, are they Government sites or accessible to the public??
http://vre.vicroads.vic.gov.au/
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby Xplora » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:53 am
Yep, that's why I made the comment on a "particular" spot, because I know it's a red flag to a bull, but I rarely have issues even in heavy peak hour. There is something about certain spots which makes drivers desperate for a pass. And something about other spots which make them less desperate. I know I have enormous problems commuting at 20kmh recovery pace instead of 30kmh threshold oh crud I'm late pace.g-boaf wrote: Riding at the speed limit doesn't help all that much either. The MGIF mentality rules with some of these motorists. They'll waste their fuel and use their brakes heavily just to be ahead going into a roundabout. You just want to scream at them, why?!?!?
The problem is that I can't recommend commuting at 50kmh because its not physically sustainable. For anyone. So where does that leave us? Compel drivers to behave or risk losing their right to drive (licence) or their ability to drive (jail). I hardly feel its palatable, I prefer driving fast too, but I think our road rules often favour practical over preferable.
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby g-boaf » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:25 am
Vic Government actually: http://vre.vicroads.vic.gov.au/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Tbanger wrote:I am aware you work for the Government, are they Government sites or accessible to the public??
Got it through a google search. NSW has something similar:
http://www.service.nsw.gov.au/transacti ... ry-vehicle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
They are primarily for people looking to buy a vehicle. I'm not involved in anything motor-vehicle or roads related so I've got only as much information as anyone else here. Even if I did have access to more, I wouldn't be permitted to do that anyway.
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby outnabike » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:36 am
I am a fair way from the gutter and doing just under 20 kph. It is a two lane but wide lanes. If you go further into the gutter they will shave you every time. This is Greens road in Dandenong and I came in off the South Gippsland Highway from Cranbourne. Just testing the rear cam position a Sony 10 .The front cam is a normal camera on movie mode and playing up, but just testing it.
This was around 1.30 pm and not that bussy but the traffic comes in waves. I have to say it is just not safe to ride the gutter and yet the big trucks though passing safely seem not to know how close the come in with the rear wheels.Or are just not caring.
If you want to get blown at with horns , this is the place to do it. I really don't want to be dead right re this bit of road.
I thought in the calibration process a one metre distanc would be Ok, but understand your point. I will do the lines on the ground trick and also number the metres off along the line.The distance from the bike is the main thing to capture.
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby BianchiCam » Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:36 am
The more of us that use this 'calibration', the (hopefully, better outcome should we need to take it further)
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby warthog1 » Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:56 am
See this thread;Tbanger wrote:which websites are they?? ( i would love to have access to those resources)
Nobody wrote:viewtopic.php?t=77124&p=1151839#p1151670
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby Tbanger » Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:59 am
warthog1 wrote:See this thread;Tbanger wrote:which websites are they?? ( i would love to have access to those resources)
Nobody wrote:viewtopic.php?t=77124&p=1151839#p1151670
Thanks for that warthog.
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby warthog1 » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:10 pm
+1Oxford wrote:You should post in the thread and ask for it to be made sticky, that way you never miss it.
Should be a sticky, great resource
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby Xplora » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:18 pm
I would avoid it, but where else to go? The only solution I see is claim more of the lane or accept that you'll be shaved. I typically have a response pattern to shaves... the closer they get, the more lane I take. Does this frustrate other motorists? Yep. But you have to engage the part of their brain that says "I am not sure I can safely do this, and avoid police attention". Sitting in the middle of the lane definitely takes away the option of accidental close shaves. The scary part is that it dramatically increases your chance of a rear ender, but I think we'd all accept that this is a possibility regardless.
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Re: Punishment pass
Postby jules21 » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:18 pm
how so? i don't agree. you can get rear-ended while towards the LHS too. rear-enders are almost always (with extremely rare exceptions) failure to identify the hazard (cyclist) - being in the middle of the lane arguably reduces that risk.Xplora wrote:Sitting in the middle of the lane definitely takes away the option of accidental close shaves. The scary part is that it dramatically increases your chance of a rear ender
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