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Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby Nikolai » Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:08 pm

Who is going this year?

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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby Nikolai » Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:52 pm

Seduced one of my friends into it and he bought an almost new Eddy Merckx in Holland. Arrived a few days ago — awesome bike. With Campagnolo Record, Vittoria tubs, the works.

I've never done this ride before, should be a blast.

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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby ldrcycles » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:02 pm

Looking forward to meeting you Nikolai, i really enjoy reading your posts. I'll be there again, with the 1978 Abeni i restored for last year. Having done every NSB so far, i would advise your friend to either use clincher wheels, or bring LOTS of spare tubulars. The roads are very unforgiving on tyres, though touch wood, i still haven't had a flat yet on 27" tyres.
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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby Nikolai » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:07 pm

ldrcycles wrote:Looking forward to meeting you Nikolai, i really enjoy reading your posts.


Thank you. I assume you mean posts on my website?

I'll have a talk at the event. Topic is undecided still :) Any ideas?

ldrcycles wrote:i would advise your friend to either use clincher wheels, or bring LOTS of spare tubulars.


I told him to buy a pair of 27s. You think they won't last? I've never done the ride, no idea what it's like.

Clinchers, I don't think so. The bike came with tubs so to use clinchers he'd have to find a pair of wheels from the 1980s. Right now, he has an awesome pair of Campags with a 6-speed block. I haven't checked but it looks like 13-19 or 13-18 deal, 52/40 at the front. How steep are the hills? Will this setup work? He's fit and tough as nails.

Me, I don't know what I'm riding yet.

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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby ldrcycles » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:17 pm

Nikolai wrote:Clinchers, I don't think so. The bike came with tubs so to use clinchers he'd have to find a pair of wheels from the 1980s. Right now, he has an awesome pair of Campags with a 6-speed block. I haven't checked but it looks like 13-19 or 13-18 deal, 52/40 at the front. How steep are the hills? Will this setup work? He's fit and tough as nails.

Me, I don't know what I'm riding yet.


My opinion is that 25mm tyres are the sensible minimum, though it must be said many people have safely and happily completed the ride on 700x23. When it comes to riding on rough gravel roads i feel 700C wheels are intrinsically inferior to 27 inch (630mm). Why exactly that is so i don't know but i've done a lot of gravel riding on 27x 1-1/4 and also 700C from 23mm up to 42mm. 700x35 is similar to 27" in terms of comfort, but feels slower.

The roads can be extremely rough, and i've seen riders have a dozen or more punctures, carrying that many spare tubulars isn't really an option and repairing them by the side of the road wouldn't be fun either.

Gearing wise, with 39-28 i can clear all the climbs, i have used 42-23 but that was purgatory. There are numerous climbs over 20% and the steepest pinch would be nearing 30%. A few people have done it on fixed gears but i'm not one of them! :shock:


You could talk about any aspect of your riding in Russia and Europe and i think people would be tremendously interested, it all seems very exotic from Australia :) .
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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby Velo13 » Wed May 17, 2017 12:28 pm

ldrcycles wrote:My opinion is that 25mm tyres are the sensible minimum, though it must be said many people have safely and happily completed the ride on 700x23.

The roads can be extremely rough, and i've seen riders have a dozen or more punctures, carrying that many spare tubulars isn't really an option and repairing them by the side of the road wouldn't be fun either.

Gearing wise, with 39-28 i can clear all the climbs, i have used 42-23 but that was purgatory.


Having done it a couple of times, I'd recommend 28c as a minimum of you plan to go fast on the dirt. Smaller tyres will of course work, but you will have to slow and pick your line on the dirt more. With 28c I found I was (attempting) to ride the dirt as quickly as I would a similarly sloped bitumen road.

Both times I ran 39x28t, and there were a few times I would have liked a 30t. I was pretty fit on both occasions, but not "race fit". I'll run 28c and a 30t rear this year. An imperial century can be a long way ..

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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby Nikolai » Wed May 17, 2017 8:07 pm

Velo13 wrote:I'll run 28c and a 30t rear this year.


Where do you get these cogs for a 6-speed block?

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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby Velo13 » Thu May 18, 2017 1:11 pm

Nikolai wrote:
Velo13 wrote:I'll run 28c and a 30t rear this year.


Where do you get these cogs for a 6-speed block?


A cheap 6 speed block from your LBS should be available up to 28t (if not more). SunRace is always pretty good. Or, if you are running Suntour blocks, I probably have MTB cogs that could be used to build a new set of ratios.

Assuming you are running 126mm rear dropout spacing, it may be time to consider a 7s cluster and a new chain. Then you'll have options up to about 32t.

Hmm, you got me thinking ... this year I might be running a set of wheels that will need a screw on freewheel. Better build up a good 7s freewheel (with a 30!).

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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby ldrcycles » Fri May 19, 2017 7:28 am

They're uncommon but the SunTour AG (Alpine Gear) derailleurs will take a 38t cog. SunTour did a 14-38 freewheel in 5 speed, there may have been a 6 speed version as well but i'm not sure. A good mate used a Bridgestone for a couple of NSBs which has an AG setup.
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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby singlespeedscott » Fri May 19, 2017 8:31 pm

I'll be there again.

I run 32mm tyres these days and wont be going smaller again. If Wolvi Rd is anything like it was last year anything under 28mm will be pinch flatted at speed.

For gearing I use a Campagnolo Victory drive train with a a 46/35 on the front and a 13-28 7 speed on the rear. Never needed anything bigger than a 46x13 and the 35x28 really makes the climbs a lot easier
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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby ldrcycles » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:52 pm

Wonderful weather for the promo ride on the 11th, unfortunately my little girl was sick (and my goats are kidding) so i had to peel off at Cooroy. Still got to meet Nikolai and Paul Ketelaar the framebuilder from Mackay, along with catching up with a bunch of others i haven't seen since the last NSB.

Even more keen for the main event now, i did say a few months ago i wouldn't take on any last minute projects this year but it looks like this won't be the year i kick that habit :)
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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby Mick Dee » Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:34 pm

I've successfully run Veloflex tubs at the past two Strade without punctures.

They're made for Paris Roubaix and are used by a number of pro teams for that event.

They're expensive.

See you again this year...can't wait

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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby Nikolai » Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:03 pm

ldrcycles wrote:I had to peel off at Cooroy


You missed on ice-cold beer in the warm sunshine. People count days until xmas, I count days until NSB.

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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby singlespeedscott » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:35 pm

I'm counting the training rides so I'm fit enough to ride it.
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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby Smithstreet » Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:11 pm

singlespeedscott wrote:I'm counting the training rides so I'm fit enough to ride it.


What's a training ride? :shock:

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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby ldrcycles » Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:26 pm

Nikolai wrote:
ldrcycles wrote:I had to peel off at Cooroy


You missed on ice-cold beer in the warm sunshine. People count days until xmas, I count days until NSB.


You and me both, my daughter was born on the day of the 2015 NSB. I still managed to get there for the Piccolo Fondo and Show on the Saturday :)
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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby Nikolai » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:21 pm

The story of the NSB promo ride.

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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby daft1024 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:43 am

Hi all,

I've just picked up an early 90's steel bike to do NSB this year. Its running 7 speed 105 with 52/42 biopace and 13/21 rear. From reading the comments it seems this gearing will be a bit ambitious.

I've done a test fitting of an 11 speed 28 tooth cassette and with fiddling with the B screw it should work. I've found a suitable 28 tooth 7 speed cassette at a LBS but I'm wondering if that will be enough. The talk of 39-28 being just enough has be a bit worried that 42-28 won't be enough.

I've got a 14-34 HG50 cassette off an old hybrid that would give a better range but I can't get it to fit with the normal RD.

Before I start looking for mountain bike derailleurs I'm wondering what peoples thoughts are on running 42 - 28 gearing?

Thanks in advance

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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby singlespeedscott » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:46 pm

42x28 will be tough. I have done it on a fixed gear in the past but be prepared to walk/hurt yourself, or both.

If it's a shimano crank, hunt down a 39 tooth inner chain wheel. Your 105 7 speed rear derailleur will also cope with a 30 tooth rear sprocket.
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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby ldrcycles » Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:47 pm

If you're located anywhere near Noosa let me know and i can sort you out with an MTB derailleur, though you might need a longer chain as well. 42x28 can be done, plenty of people do, but unless you're quite fit it makes a tough ride tougher.
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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby daft1024 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:35 am

Thanks for the replies - I've looked into the 39 tooth chainring but its a biopace setup and I've been told that it's pretty much impossible to get a 39 tooth biopace compatible ring these days. To swap out both rings to non-biopace is starting to get a little uneconomic.

The 30 tooth has me thinking - I can't seem to find any road 7 speed cassettes locally in sizes larger than 28. Any suggestions who might stock such sizes?

One question I have is whether 7 speed MTB cassettes are spaced the same as 7 speed road cassettes. I was going to get a shimano road cassette (as my LBS has one on the shelf) - but I saw a sunrace MTB CSM63 for around half the price. Just wondering if that might work with the road indexing? This Sheldon Brownarticle seems to suggest it would work but I wasn't sure.

Thanks for the offer of the MTB derailleur - I was actually up at Doonan over the weekend. Noosa is magic this time of year :-)

I'm what I'd call average fitness. I'd have no problem doing a tough ride normally (not quickly but I'd get there) - but my normal ride is CF with compact cranks which goes up hills pretty easily. I was already planning to wear the MTB shoes in case I need to walk but its best to plan for success if possible :-)

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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby ldrcycles » Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:33 pm

Shimano road and MTB cassettes shared the same spacing up to 9 speed, it was only when they brought out their 10 speed MTB stuff that the spacing was different from road 10 speed.

I'll have to check when i get home, but i took a virtually unused 7 speed cassette off a wheel that's going onto a gravel grinder project, should be suitable for you along with the derailleur.
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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby daft1024 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:50 pm

ldrcycles wrote:Shimano road and MTB cassettes shared the same spacing up to 9 speed, it was only when they brought out their 10 speed MTB stuff that the spacing was different from road 10 speed.

I'll have to check when i get home, but i took a virtually unused 7 speed cassette off a wheel that's going onto a gravel grinder project, should be suitable for you along with the derailleur.


Thanks for the info on the spacing - its good to know.

Thanks for the offer of looking into the cassette. I've got a mate who has quite a few classic bikes digging through his boxes of bits as well! Any assistance gratefully appreciated!

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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby singlespeedscott » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:20 pm

You don't need to have a 39 tooth biopace ring to match your big ring. I'll have a look tomorrow and see what I have got in the shed. I don't have any 13/30 7 speed cassettes though.
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Re: Noosa Strade Bianche 2017

Postby daft1024 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:32 pm

singlespeedscott wrote:You don't need to have a 39 tooth biopace ring to match your big ring. I'll have a look tomorrow and see what I have got in the shed. I don't have any 13/30 7 speed cassettes though.


Thanks for the info! There is much for me to learn! I was given a loan of a 34/46 crankset from a friend that I'm going to give a crack to install tonight. That should give lots more range if it works. Thanks for your advice though.

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