Getting them out of two tonnes of steel capable of high speed and onto 25kg capable of harming themselves would be a win in my book.ColinOldnCranky wrote:But then they'd get onto a cheap pedelec and mix it with the bike path crowd.madmacca wrote:Perhaps impounding the car of a repeat driving ban offender might be an intermediate step before imprisonment? Yes, they can potentially get around it by borrowing someone else's car, but if they scoff at that law, then prison is definitely justified.Cyclophiliac wrote: We'll just have to disagree on this, then. I think if the laws were effective, this drink driver would have been imprisoned after ignoring the driving ban for the first time. But obviously, the laws and our court system allowed this idiot to repeatedly ignore the ban.
On the other hand if they DID obey the restrictions they'd do the same. I guess we can't win.
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Postby ColinOldnCranky » Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:45 pm
Yeah, but NIMBY. I do most of my distance on separated paths where out of control cars only rarely venture but e-bikes do.bychosis wrote:Getting them out of two tonnes of steel capable of high speed and onto 25kg capable of harming themselves would be a win in my book.ColinOldnCranky wrote:But then they'd get onto a cheap pedelec and mix it with the bike path crowd.madmacca wrote:
Perhaps impounding the car of a repeat driving ban offender might be an intermediate step before imprisonment? Yes, they can potentially get around it by borrowing someone else's car, but if they scoff at that law, then prison is definitely justified.
On the other hand if they DID obey the restrictions they'd do the same. I guess we can't win.
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Postby Strawburger » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:43 pm
Try 2.9 million people per year worldwide.madmacca wrote: And this is where we get to with lawyers and philosophers in our society. We tolerate a system that is CURRENTLY killing 1000 people per year (and hundreds of thousands worldwide), and refuse to introduce a system that will cut this by 90% or more, because out-of-touch thinkers
like this play "what-if" with unforeseen and unprogrammed-for scenarios that may occur once every 2 years in reality.
The chance of a driverless vehicle killing someone is minute compared to the system we have now
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Postby Strawburger » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:47 pm
It's closer than we believe they are. They are out there in the wild already, just that the general public doesn't know about itComedian wrote: I think we should implement this ASAP because if you're hoping autonomous cars are going to come to the rescue it might be a longer wait than you think.
https://jalopnik.com/what-if-autonomous ... 1820778692
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Postby outnabike » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:09 pm
Make em' install a bell I say.
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Postby Kronos » Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:22 pm
I don't speak ill of people with mental health issues. With lived experience I have somewhat of an understanding of some forms of mental illness but not others. I don't want to bring other people's health issues into this I just wanted to make people here in the largest cycling community (that I know of) here on the internet in Australia aware of what was going on.familyguy wrote:I have heard that Ivan has been blanked by a lot of his (now ex-) friends over this. I don't say this lightly knowing people who have mental issues, but he has become mentally unhinged. What's sad is that he's found validation via FB and is taking it as a good thing.
His views especially inciting others to treat cyclists as "road toads" or "speed humps" whatever are really quite dangerous I hope we don't hear of anybody being run off the road or killed as a result. As someone who rides in the general South East region of Queensland it really is quite dangerous to myself and everyone else here in the general area.
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Postby familyguy » Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:27 pm
For what it's worth, he is not the AOC/whatever they are now, who are truly dangerous in what they say. DFROC and a couple of the guys appear supportive of "training" and "professional" riders, however you determine who is who, just in single file. Totally unironically, might I add, as they fail to see it as fuelling the misinformed bogan element. This much is obvious if you read the page at all. I've been banned in all forms from it, so I just ignore his BS.
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Postby g-boaf » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:36 am
But it doesn't surprise me that there are disaffected riders our there making mischief, or even some riders who aren't disaffected - but just like to play games either to ramp up ad-revenue on their blogs or youtube channels or the like. And what better way to do it than stir up controversy.
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Postby g-boaf » Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:01 pm
So this is NSW, or elsewhere?familyguy wrote:Disenfranchised or not, the guy is promoting an idea that people are assuming was law anyway and making things dangerous for every other user.
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Postby Jmuzz » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:45 am
Automated "big brother" monitoring will come first. Human still 100% in control, but the computer on their own and other cars is constantly dobbing for every illegal or poor judgement event. That will come with distance and time tolling too.CXCommuter wrote: In australia the only solution I see is automated driving... our destructive attitude around driving is too far entrenched for change
Which will only increase demands for cycle logging (basically government Strava) fitted to bicycles whenever on public road too.
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Postby CXCommuter » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:24 pm
Big issues around privacy. The issue is where to draw the line around utilisation of one of the most dangerous ubiquitous activities we undertake as a society. Distance tolling... bring it onJmuzz wrote:Automated "big brother" monitoring will come first. Human still 100% in control, but the computer on their own and other cars is constantly dobbing for every illegal or poor judgement event. That will come with distance and time tolling too.CXCommuter wrote: In australia the only solution I see is automated driving... our destructive attitude around driving is too far entrenched for change
Which will only increase demands for cycle logging (basically government Strava) fitted to bicycles whenever on public road too.
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Postby Jmuzz » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:27 pm
Yeah but to an extent the loss of privacy has already happened.CXCommuter wrote: Big issues around privacy.
The highway patrol cars are performing automatic numberplate scans and surely that keeps logs of time and location it saw each plate, the safety cams and point to point speed do it, the new road survey boxes do it.
It's really trivial now for any camera government or private to OCR every numberplate it sees and log it. It's public place photography and unrestricted.
So even without trackers our camera society can already do a lot of tracking.
And of course there is the phone issue. The towers know within a couple of hundred metres and depending on phone settings Google/Apple have detailed data.
A tracker box can log tolling and speeding events without uploading the full data anyway. User can have the logs and only share them if disputing the toll/fine to prove the processing made a mistake. That would be gen1 of the system so not much of a privacy argument to be made.
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Postby London Boy » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:17 pm
That isn't a problem with lawyers or philosophers, it's a problem with politicians and, ultimately, voters.madmacca wrote:And this is where we get to with lawyers and philosophers in our society. We tolerate a system that is CURRENTLY killing 1000 people per year (and hundreds of thousands worldwide), and refuse to introduce a system that will cut this by 90% or more, because out-of-touch thinkers like this play "what-if" with unforeseen and unprogrammed-for scenarios that may occur once every 2 years in reality.
People rarely see motoring offences as real crimes, and most people will be damned if they're going to have their freedom to drive like plonkers taken away just because a few people have some bad luck.
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