Disobeying Traffic Lights: fines issued in Victoria for 2017
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Disobeying Traffic Lights: fines issued in Victoria for 2017
Postby fat and old » Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:19 am
8281 motorists.
2780 pedestrians
<1600 cyclists
Those pedestrians should be registered!
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.the ... 0bkoa.html
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Re: Disobeying Traffic Lights: fines issued in Victoria for 2017
Postby find_bruce » Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:54 am
The numbers you quote are just those issued by Police & are dwarfed by the speed & red light cameras for which there were 1,439,538 fines. A brief look didn’t show a breakdown of red light runners
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Re: Disobeying Traffic Lights: fines issued in Victoria for 2017
Postby bychosis » Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:09 am
Unfortunately if you ask all the haters, they could have caught a whole lot more cyclists if the cyclists could be identified with a rego plate and reported by the public.fat and old wrote:The figures are in!
8281 motorists.
2780 pedestrians
<1600 cyclists
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Re: Disobeying Traffic Lights: fines issued in Victoria for 2017
Postby Arbuckle23 » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:18 pm
And could have got more pedestrians if they had rego as wellbychosis wrote: Unfortunately if you ask all the haters, they could have caught a whole lot more cyclists if the cyclists could be identified with a rego plate and reported by the public.
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Re: Disobeying Traffic Lights: fines issued in Victoria for 2017
Postby Mediocratus » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:59 pm
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Re: Disobeying Traffic Lights: fines issued in Victoria for 2017
Postby bychosis » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:10 am
The only reason we have traffic lights for peds is to allow motorised traffic to clear 'at speed' so we can get back to crossing the road again. In areas where traffic is really slow peds wander about the roads without needing to cross at the lights and no one gets hurt, because they self assess the risks, and the motor traffic tends to let them cross. Yet again our prioritised motor traffic screws up the system so that crossing the road is hard in CBD type areas.
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Re: Disobeying Traffic Lights: fines issued in Victoria for 2017
Postby Ivanerrol » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:18 pm
Too late. There are cameras everywhere - thousands of them in Melbourne alone.Mediocratus wrote:You no longer need rego if you have facial recognition however I can just imagine the outcry if they set up facial recognition cameras at city intersections. They could use the drivers licence photos as the database. They would get huge numbers of pedestrians every day at major city intersections.
I work in a very large public area - in excess of 17 million movements through the building per year. We have hundreds of cameras. Software is setup for facial recognition and number plate reading. The cameras are zoom in HD - from 200 meters away a camera can be zoomed in and check the pimples on your face.
It's not the cameras which do the cognition - it's the software behind them.
If you think traffic cameras aren't face recognition capable - think again. Be very wary of getting a traffic fine and then nominating someone else as the driver.
You have all seen the Jason Bourne movies. The producers take pride in the fact that all the technology in use in the films actually exists.
In one of the movies the existence of the Echelon Package was discussed - it's real.
iPhone Face ID? How's your privacy going?
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Re: Disobeying Traffic Lights: fines issued in Victoria for 2017
Postby Ivanerrol » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:22 pm
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Re: Disobeying Traffic Lights: fines issued in Victoria for 2017
Postby ausrandoman » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:44 pm
This means little, unless we also know the number of people who did not break any rules, so we can calculate what percentage of different groups were disobeying the laws. Given that on almost (every?) road in Victoria, motorists vastly out-number pedestrians and cyclists, those figures seem to indicate that a much higher proportion of cyclists are at fault.fat and old wrote:
8281 motorists.
2780 pedestrians
<1600 cyclists
To save you time, I'll fill in the next comment for you: "Yeah, but cyclists don't kill people, don't damage the roads, don't cause pollution, reduce health costs ... etc etc etc."
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Re: Disobeying Traffic Lights: fines issued in Victoria for 2017
Postby bychosis » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:56 pm
Or more accurately it is only those that have been caught and fined. Lots of peds and cyclists may have been given a warning also, but I suspect motorists wouldn’t be given much leniency in red light running.ausrandoman wrote:those figures seem to indicate that a much higher proportion of cyclists are at fault
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Re: Disobeying Traffic Lights: fines issued in Victoria for 2017
Postby ausrandoman » Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:16 pm
I have no idea if you are correct. I don't know if police are more disposed to warn cyclists and pedestrians than motorists. I guess a lot motoring offences would be picked up semi-automatically by cameras whereas fining cyclists and pedestrians takes a bit more time and effort. If you are correct*, and many cyclists and pedestrians were warned but not fined, then the proportion of cyclists and pedestrians who break the law is even worse.bychosis wrote:Or more accurately it is only those that have been caught and fined. Lots of peds and cyclists may have been given a warning also, but I suspect motorists wouldn’t be given much leniency in red light running.ausrandoman wrote:those figures seem to indicate that a much higher proportion of cyclists are at fault
* I am not claiming you are wrong. I am making clear that I don't know either way.
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Re: Disobeying Traffic Lights: fines issued in Victoria for 2017
Postby find_bruce » Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:22 am
Its an example of selection bias, which makes accurate conclusions problematic
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