In the cyclocross case, the rider said she was unaware of the motor as it was a borrowed bike which was identical to her own... I don’t think there was any doubt that the bike had the gruber motor and was used during the event.
I can understand the difficulty detecting as electronic groupsets are used and have a battery. Very tricky.
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Postby Thoglette » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:10 pm
Now that's a red rag to a curmudgeonly old luddite who's full of bull. After all, Eddy Merckx changed his own gears so .....AUbicycles wrote:I can understand the difficulty detecting as electronic groupsets are used and have a battery. Very tricky.
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Postby Kronos » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:17 pm
Court/tribunal, same thing.duncanm wrote:depends what you mean by 'court'.Kronos wrote:It is a basic human right to be able to be presumed innocent before being proven guilty, these days its trial by media and witch hunts about things like this rather than giving a person a hearing which gives them a fair day in court.
This is sport, not criminal activity.
Each sport has its own rules and procedures for dealing with violations of those rules.
Amateur sport does it best -- no lawyers or courts, usually a tribunal of peers.
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Postby Kronos » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:20 pm
I believe it was a matter of going to Switzerland (or wherever), having arbitration and so on, and the expenses involved. It was decided not to contest it.find_bruce wrote:You are barking up the wrong tree with this one Kronos -van den Driessche was given a hearing in accordance with the rules that she signed up to but chose not to appear, was found guilty & given a 6 year ban.Kronos wrote:It is a basic human right to be able to be presumed innocent before being proven guilty, these days its trial by media and witch hunts about things like this rather than giving a person a hearing which gives them a fair day in court.
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Postby AUbicycles » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:34 am
Correction, she was using the vivax, not the gruber motor.
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Postby Nate » Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:14 pm
I disagree - you've got a motor & power meter sensing when the cyclist is applying power. Program the motor to come on easy & ramp up over the pedal stroke & drop off again. Not a hard thing when you've got PWM controllers with frequencies of 16,000/sec - the accuracy is there.duncanm wrote: nup -- I don't buy it. Any mechanical assistance will be easily felt as it turns on and off. Riders need to take responsibility. Plenty of time for a once-over of the bike (does it do anything funny when I lift the back wheel and rotate the crank?)
As for tainted supplements - cyclists are going to carry a pocket gas chromatograph around & test?
How can you ever be sure that you dont have a dud supplement unless you have big $ & the equipment to test yourself?
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Postby Jmuzz » Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:49 pm
Yeah good Pedelec tech could be near impossible to feel, just deliver an extra 10% boost to power.
I don't think most would be such a sophisticated conspiracy to trick a rider though. Nothing is so complex off the shelf, they would need real good engineer to pull it off.
Suspect examples in the past have certainly not been high-tech, just plain on/off motor.
I don't think most would be such a sophisticated conspiracy to trick a rider though. Nothing is so complex off the shelf, they would need real good engineer to pull it off.
Suspect examples in the past have certainly not been high-tech, just plain on/off motor.
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Postby Thoglette » Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:55 pm
Ah, doesn't matter. The athlete is responsible for all things in his/her body.Nate wrote:As for tainted supplements - cyclists are going to carry a pocket gas chromatograph around & test?
The team management gets off scott free, every time (almost).
Unless the UCI starts fining the teams for having dopers ; fining them more for not detecting the dopers and banning them for a few years for covering up dopers, nothing will change. Mechanical doping might finally give them the incentive to do so.
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Postby P!N20 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:58 pm
Well I'm not 100% sure it was a UCI sanctioned event, but here's another one: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/french- ... y-service/Kronos wrote:There has never been a rider caught and proven to have a motor in their bike in a UCI event with a motor in their bike for the purposes of mechanical doping.
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