Motoring Journalist in McLaren Hits Cyclist at West Head/Akuna NSW

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Postby g-boaf » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:36 pm

Thoglette wrote:
find_bruce wrote:The articles posted by Amelia Hungerford on the Signature Luxury Travel and Style website suggests that the description "motoring journalist" is a bit far fetched & the articles now refer to her as a "lifestyle journalist"

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I wonder if one actually gets to go to all those events. Bloody nice lifestyle if one does.
However, my money is that the role involves "personalising" the official press kits (or similar), for at least for 90% of them.
Even still, for the remaining 10%....
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Social influencers get a lot of nice benefits. Someone I know does have that status, and so gets a lot of nice things, like A380 first flights, featured by well known international airlines in the launch of their new first class suites, first flights on the luxury suite of a rival airline, etc. That said, he is a decent guy - he's not the sort who'd do anything so stupid like this journalist who crashed into the rider.

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Postby AUbicycles » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:46 am

The suggestion that the police were waiting on the injured riders is hopefully accurate. For the public, it is still important to know that a case is in work as there are occassions when they simmer out and nothing happens.

Regarding McLaren, they can easily refer to the indepent PR agency who I will suggest have more responsibility in this matter and have allowed the risky driving by some. There is no possibility of pushing the limits of a sports car, let alone a Supercar in Akuna / Westhead and maintaining safe driving behaviour within the speed limits.

It is common sense that a performance car needs to be test driven on a closed race track and McLaren needs to take responsibility.

To the culprit, there is no sense or value in any further comments. Just the hope that the court recognise the severity and continuing impact on the life of the rider and can handle accordingly.

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Postby LateStarter » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:17 am

Call me a grumpy old killjoy cyclist out to deprive the mega-rich of their legitimate pleasures but I ask myself why any vehicle that can do 200kph over the highest speed limit and get to that limit in a few seconds has any place on public roads and outside "closed race tracks". In my fairyland such indulgences would be subject to a 100% luxury tax (per year), if they want to flaunt their wealth lets at least ensure the rest of us see some benefit too, grump grump....

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Postby duncanm » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:47 am

LateStarter wrote:Call me a grumpy old killjoy cyclist out to deprive the mega-rich of their legitimate pleasures but I ask myself why any vehicle that can do 200kph over the highest speed limit and get to that limit in a few seconds has any place on public roads and outside "closed race tracks". In my fairyland such indulgences would be subject to a 100% luxury tax (per year), if they want to flaunt their wealth lets at least ensure the rest of us see some benefit too, grump grump....



better ban anything beyond a Japanese Kei car, then.

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Postby mikesbytes » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:59 am

LateStarter wrote:Call me a grumpy old killjoy cyclist out to deprive the mega-rich of their legitimate pleasures but I ask myself why any vehicle that can do 200kph over the highest speed limit and get to that limit in a few seconds has any place on public roads and outside "closed race tracks". In my fairyland such indulgences would be subject to a 100% luxury tax (per year), if they want to flaunt their wealth lets at least ensure the rest of us see some benefit too, grump grump....

Highest maximum speed limit in Australia is 140kph I think. So there's no need to have a speedo that registers speeds past 140kph. Did they introduce a maximum 85mph speedo in the US?
If the R-1 rule is broken, what happens to N+1?

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Postby ft_critical » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:15 am

I sent them an email (McLaren), discussed it with my work colleague who owns one, requested he raise it if he has the chance.

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Postby Thoglette » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:52 am

duncanm wrote:better ban anything beyond a Japanese Kei car, then.

That would actually be a damn good idea from a congestion management perspective - or at least demonstrate and ongoing "need to own" (e.g. Grey Nomad ) plus training and tougher licence testing. Just like hand guns :-)

As a closet rev-head (who did have a CAMS licence and is also old) I can say the main problem is that the fast cars are are just too damned easy to drive these days. Even large SUVs have 0-100 times that used to be "supercar" numbers. Add to this that the roads are not what they used to be (i.e. bloody narrow, twisty and dangerous); and our population has both exploded and spread out and the idea of "a fang" on some quiet country roads is not what it used to be.

Hell, a 16V Hyundai Getz is only a little bit slower than a Mk1 RS Cosworth Escort. And it's got aircon.
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Postby mikesbytes » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:03 pm

Bill wrote this on sydney cyclist today;
For those who may be interested, I've been visiting James. He is generally in good spirits but looks like he may not be able to use his right arm again - he is/was a dentist. The nerves were severed and his arm lies limp in a sling. His neck was broken in numerous places which wasn't mentioned earlier, or in the various articles that were mentioned in this thread. He has had recent operations to try and reconnect nerves and the results are still out.

Thankfully if it wasn't for the meticulous and thoughtful care from the paramedics who initially arrived and stabilised his neck with metal rods before he was moved, he would have been in a wheelchair for life. As it is now, he is walking around and has limited use of his right leg beyond about 10˚ of movement. That should improve, and he threatens me that if I don't get fitter now I won't be able to keep up with him on his first ride back...
Terrible

Unfortunately my comment about the article focusing on the details of the motor vehicle while not mentioning the status of the injured rider stands
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Postby AdelaidePeter » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:39 pm

uart wrote:
CKinnard wrote:I'd like to know why it took 5 months before she was charged.

Yes, and I'm also surprised at how long it took to make any details public. I'm thinking maybe a combination of money and media influence by someone in the organization for which she worked.


Sometimes these processes take a while. e.g. Today a driver was sentenced to 13 years jail for killing two pedestrians last August http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-13/d ... r/10240424 . As far as I can tell from Google, he was not charged or named until 24 November last year, more than 3 months after the crash https://www.centralnews.com.au/@breakin ... -vic-crash .

(The worrying thing is that, because it takes so long, it usually goes unnoticed if a driver isn't charged.)

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Postby biker jk » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:47 pm

AdelaidePeter wrote:
uart wrote:
CKinnard wrote:I'd like to know why it took 5 months before she was charged.

Yes, and I'm also surprised at how long it took to make any details public. I'm thinking maybe a combination of money and media influence by someone in the organization for which she worked.


Sometimes these processes take a while. e.g. Today a driver was sentenced to 13 years jail for killing two pedestrians last August http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-13/d ... r/10240424 . As far as I can tell from Google, he was not charged or named until 24 November last year, more than 3 months after the crash https://www.centralnews.com.au/@breakin ... -vic-crash .

(The worrying thing is that, because it takes so long, it usually goes unnoticed if a driver isn't charged.)


Those killed were not pedestrians.

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Postby AdelaidePeter » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:50 pm

biker jk wrote:
AdelaidePeter wrote:
uart wrote:Yes, and I'm also surprised at how long it took to make any details public. I'm thinking maybe a combination of money and media influence by someone in the organization for which she worked.


Sometimes these processes take a while. e.g. Today a driver was sentenced to 13 years jail for killing two pedestrians last August http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-13/d ... r/10240424 . As far as I can tell from Google, he was not charged or named until 24 November last year, more than 3 months after the crash https://www.centralnews.com.au/@breakin ... -vic-crash .

(The worrying thing is that, because it takes so long, it usually goes unnoticed if a driver isn't charged.)


Those killed were not pedestrians.


Aha, sorry. My point stands though: there can be a long delay even if the victims are not cyclists, and the at-fault-motorist has no special connections.
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Postby g-boaf » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:51 pm

mikesbytes wrote:Bill wrote this on sydney cyclist today;
For those who may be interested, I've been visiting James. He is generally in good spirits but looks like he may not be able to use his right arm again - he is/was a dentist. The nerves were severed and his arm lies limp in a sling. His neck was broken in numerous places which wasn't mentioned earlier, or in the various articles that were mentioned in this thread. He has had recent operations to try and reconnect nerves and the results are still out.

Thankfully if it wasn't for the meticulous and thoughtful care from the paramedics who initially arrived and stabilised his neck with metal rods before he was moved, he would have been in a wheelchair for life. As it is now, he is walking around and has limited use of his right leg beyond about 10˚ of movement. That should improve, and he threatens me that if I don't get fitter now I won't be able to keep up with him on his first ride back...
Terrible

Unfortunately my comment about the article focusing on the details of the motor vehicle while not mentioning the status of the injured rider stands


Agreed, it's like the badly hurt rider doesn't matter at all.

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Postby biker jk » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:02 pm

AdelaidePeter wrote:
biker jk wrote:
AdelaidePeter wrote:
Sometimes these processes take a while. e.g. Today a driver was sentenced to 13 years jail for killing two pedestrians last August http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-13/d ... r/10240424 . As far as I can tell from Google, he was not charged or named until 24 November last year, more than 3 months after the crash https://www.centralnews.com.au/@breakin ... -vic-crash .

(The worrying thing is that, because it takes so long, it usually goes unnoticed if a driver isn't charged.)


Those killed were not pedestrians.


Aha, sorry. My point stands though: there can be a long delay even if the victims are not cyclists, and the at-fault-motorist has no special connections.


My point was on the sentencing discrepancies between motorists killing/injuring other motorists and motorists killing/injuring cyclists. Take the example in the link below where a motorist killed a cyclist and received 300 hours of community service and an 18-month licence disqualification versus the 13-year sentence in the example you provided.

https://www.2gb.com/driver-who-killed-cyclist-to-get-licence-back-after-just-18-months/

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Re: Motoring Journalist in McLaren Hits Cyclist at West Head/Akuna NSW

Postby AUbicycles » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:31 pm

Can’t criticise anyone for buying a car they desire. It would be like criticising a bike rider who purchases an $8k bike when a $3K bike provides the level of permance they need.

In this instance it was the driver and situation. Most cars available have (in my opinion) a relaxed cruising speed of 130 kmh... the larger ones 150 - 170 kmh. Australian roads are built for slower speeds and drivers don’t learn the skills for safe fast speed travel (like in some other countries). So the ability of a regular car usually far exceeds the limitations.

I can’t criticise a person who chooses to buy a performance car, but unless they go to a closed circuit they will never legally get close to the limits and a supercar regulated to 60kmh is a bit out of place.

You can enjoy a performance car wuthin its limits if you put comfort and image above power and speed... but in the case of McLaren and press test drives, this would be missing the point ... so test drives for press or even potential buyers should be at the closed circuit so the lives and safety of others are not put at risk.

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