Putting the "oh no" into obikes

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Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby Cheesewheel » Wed May 30, 2018 11:04 pm

https://amp.smh.com.au/national/victori ... 4zied.html

The new rules for oBike, which will come into effect on June 5, include:

Two hours to remove a bike creating a hazard
24 hours to remove both damaged and vandalised bikes
24 hours to remove a cluster or group of bikes
48 hours to remove a bike if it is stuck up a tree or on a roof
Seven days to remove a bike if it's in a waterway
If bikes aren't collected in these time frames , the company will be fined $3000 per bike.

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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby queequeg » Thu May 31, 2018 12:02 am

Cheesewheel wrote:https://amp.smh.com.au/national/victoria/no-thought-epa-boss-slams-obike-rollout-amid-new-crackdown-20180530-p4zied.html

The new rules for oBike, which will come into effect on June 5, include:

Two hours to remove a bike creating a hazard
24 hours to remove both damaged and vandalised bikes
24 hours to remove a cluster or group of bikes
48 hours to remove a bike if it is stuck up a tree or on a roof
Seven days to remove a bike if it's in a waterway
If bikes aren't collected in these time frames , the company will be fined $3000 per bike.

:cry:


Now we just need to apply the same rules to parked cars
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby Jmuzz » Thu May 31, 2018 7:14 am

Meanwhile zero police and council effort to catch the actual vandals.

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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby Daus » Thu May 31, 2018 8:52 am

Yes let's put the responsibility not into the hands of the offenders but the service provider.

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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby Jmuzz » Thu May 31, 2018 9:20 am

Just a single media hyped case of cops staking out an obike for the night and arresting the offender for theft and vandalism would put fear into the vandals and make them think twice.

Cops mostly specialise in victim blaming these days.

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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby Cheesewheel » Thu May 31, 2018 9:49 am

Daus wrote:Yes let's put the responsibility not into the hands of the offenders but the service provider.

Is this but a precursor for a national crackdown on wheelibins and shopping trolleys?
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby Calvin27 » Thu May 31, 2018 10:18 am

Jmuzz wrote:Meanwhile zero police and council effort to catch the actual vandals.


You realise his is the EPA, not the police force policy right?
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby Jmuzz » Thu May 31, 2018 11:02 am

Calvin27 wrote:You realise his is the EPA, not the police force policy right?


What have police done about it over the last two years?
Besides fine legitimate customers without helmets or on footpath.

Tens of millions in vandalism and theft but they ignore it. Vandalism and theft apparently some other government departments responsibility these days?

State government is state government regardless of how they try to pass the buck through 20 different departments.

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Postby find_bruce » Thu May 31, 2018 11:04 am

Interestingly an app snap send solve, which has historically been for reporting matters to local clowncils, now has provision to report issues in relation to the various hire bike

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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby Calvin27 » Thu May 31, 2018 11:52 am

Jmuzz wrote:
Calvin27 wrote:You realise his is the EPA, not the police force policy right?


What have police done about it over the last two years?
Besides fine legitimate customers without helmets or on footpath.

Tens of millions in vandalism and theft but they ignore it. Vandalism and theft apparently some other government departments responsibility these days?

State government is state government regardless of how they try to pass the buck through 20 different departments.


Great stuff but your original line was:
Jmuzz wrote:Cops mostly specialise in victim blaming these days.


Maybe they could have done more, but the cops haven't exactly blamed the victims here.

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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby human909 » Thu May 31, 2018 12:32 pm

Put it another way....

How much litter is from cigarette butts and single use drink containers? Should these companies be treated in the same way?


I actually do agree that obike should be a responsible citizen and better manage its fleet. But the EPA action is absurd. 'Bird' is a company that has a scooter share system. It utilizes and pays the general public to recover their scooters and recharge them.
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby Nate » Thu May 31, 2018 12:55 pm

I'm actually for some controls here...

The footpaths/space are public areas, with these - there's now a company making money from these areas & taking them away from public use.
I'd suggest something similar to the share car things - designated parking bays & areas where they need to be left so as to not cause a nuisance. Smaller areas to patrol/police & easier to manage.

Pretty much exactly the same way the Boris bikes are in London

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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby Calvin27 » Thu May 31, 2018 3:15 pm

human909 wrote:Put it another way....

How much litter is from cigarette butts and single use drink containers? Should these companies be treated in the same way?


I actually do agree that obike should be a responsible citizen and better manage its fleet. But the EPA action is absurd. 'Bird' is a company that has a scooter share system. It utilizes and pays the general public to recover their scooters and recharge them.
https://www.bird.co/
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I agree 100%. Just wasn't sure where the police hate came from the other poster.
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby fat and old » Thu May 31, 2018 4:29 pm

Calvin27 wrote:
Jmuzz wrote:Meanwhile zero police and council effort to catch the actual vandals.


You realise his is the EPA, not the police force policy right?


How come MacDonalds isn't fined for all of the rubbish that their patrons leave around? Phillip Morris for the butts everywhere? Amatil for the plastic coke bottles?

I smell the RACV behind this (in Vic, anyway).

Edit...should have read down H909 has this covered...

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Postby g-boaf » Thu May 31, 2018 8:04 pm

queequeg wrote:
Cheesewheel wrote:https://amp.smh.com.au/national/victoria/no-thought-epa-boss-slams-obike-rollout-amid-new-crackdown-20180530-p4zied.html

The new rules for oBike, which will come into effect on June 5, include:

Two hours to remove a bike creating a hazard
24 hours to remove both damaged and vandalised bikes
24 hours to remove a cluster or group of bikes
48 hours to remove a bike if it is stuck up a tree or on a roof
Seven days to remove a bike if it's in a waterway
If bikes aren't collected in these time frames , the company will be fined $3000 per bike.

:cry:


Now we just need to apply the same rules to parked cars


Or large boats parked on narrow streets. (one of my hates).

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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby Jmuzz » Thu May 31, 2018 9:30 pm

g-boaf wrote:Or large boats parked on narrow streets. (one of my hates).


This council has enacted rules which at least limit them to residents curb or 28 day block movement.
http://www.sutherlandshire.nsw.gov.au/R ... t-Trailers

They were going to be much stricter but caved to residents pressure that their $200 a year trailer rego should buy them virtual ownership of 10sqm of real-estate and expensive paved road as boat storage yard.

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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby Calvin27 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:26 am

fat and old wrote:How come MacDonalds isn't fined for all of the rubbish that their patrons leave around? Phillip Morris for the butts everywhere? Amatil for the plastic coke bottles?


McDonalds, Phillip Morris, and Coca Cola Amatil do not own the packaging after point of sale.

They also do not have statements like 'Users can simply rent, or return a bike whenever, wherever ".
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby Jmuzz » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:35 am

Calvin27 wrote:McDonalds, Phillip Morris, and Coca Cola Amatil do not own the packaging after point of sale.


What about milk crates, bread trays, premium pallets which are leased?

If someone smashes them and dumps in river should the owner be fined for not getting salvage divers in at their own cost over the weekend?

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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby human909 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:39 am

Calvin27 wrote:McDonalds, Phillip Morris, and Coca Cola Amatil do not own the packaging after point of sale.

They also do not have statements like 'Users can simply rent, or return a bike whenever, wherever ".


Lets see: "At the end of the ride, just park the bike in a designated public bike-parking area and lock it using the app."

In what way is Obikes encouraging vandalism and littering?

Jmuzz wrote:What about milk crates, bread trays, premium pallets which are leased?

If someone smashes them and dumps in river should the owner be fined for not getting salvage divers in at their own cost over the weekend?

Other great examples.

IMO there is an issue with share bikes that needs to be managed. Sure the blame does rest on on those littering and vandalising but simply pointing fingers of blame doesn't solve the problem. Share bike operators need to come to the party in improving things but so do councils and law enforcement. Start a string of serious car vandalism in the street and the police treat it as a serious issue and the medial reports it as such. Do the same to bikes and it becomes a competition of who can do better and all you get is silence from councils and the police.

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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby Calvin27 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:54 pm

Jmuzz wrote:
Calvin27 wrote:McDonalds, Phillip Morris, and Coca Cola Amatil do not own the packaging after point of sale.


What about milk crates, bread trays, premium pallets which are leased?

If someone smashes them and dumps in river should the owner be fined for not getting salvage divers in at their own cost over the weekend?


If McDonalds had milk crates littered all over the streets, in rivers, blocking trains and in trees, then yes, you would expect EPA to step in and have a word to them about it. But they don't ad the problem is hardly the same scale or systematic. They would probably have to demonstrate some sort of plan to combat the problem even if they were not at fault. However it appears from the information that the obike company has been far from receptive to consultation from EPA.

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Calvin27 wrote:McDonalds, Phillip Morris, and Coca Cola Amatil do not own the packaging after point of sale.

They also do not have statements like 'Users can simply rent, or return a bike whenever, wherever ".


Lets see: "At the end of the ride, just park the bike in a designated public bike-parking area and lock it using the app."

In what way is Obikes encouraging vandalism and littering?


I didn't say they were encouraging vandalism or littering. Just highlighting that their policy is pretty ambiguous. Both the statement I provided and that you have are on the obike website, but they do in fact contradict each other.

I get we are all cyclists here and keen to back anything bicycle related. But the obike thing has had quit a negative impact for the whole cycling scene imo. diverted attention away from more pressing issues and wasted a lot of political capital that could be better deployed elsewhere.
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby Jmuzz » Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:10 pm

Perhaps they need to upgrade the bike locks from the wheel lock thing to an actual cable which wraps around a pole.

Require customers to lock to a pole or tree.

That way they can't be moved by non customers (easily. App could allow a free 2 minute unlock for people to reposition) or fall over. Plus customers who leave them at inappropriate location (blocking path, in a cluster) have no excuse that someone else has moved it so they can be the one fined.

It would probably be good council/state policy to require all unattended public area bikes to be locked to a pole for future bike parking management. That way there aren't knocked over bikes everywhere in future as they get more popular and it provides some parking management to keep them out of the middle of footpaths.

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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby biker jk » Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:19 pm

It's been a disaster but really no surprise, so why did government allow the dockless schemes to operate. If there's no penalty or incentive for the users to leave the bike in an appropriate place I don't see any solution but to require the operators to build docks.

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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby Jmuzz » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:27 pm

What law allows them to be banned or sets bike parking rules (off road) or says you can't let people rent your bike via an app?

They comply with the current laws.

It's not customers who vandalize them it is just people picking them up. The same scumbgs will steal a private bike or kick it's spokes in given the chance.

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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby fat and old » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:49 pm

human909 wrote:Start a string of serious car vandalism in the street and the police treat it as a serious issue and the medial reports it as such. Do the same to bikes and it becomes a competition of who can do better and all you get is silence from councils and the police.


No. You don't get silence. Councils and state gov work together to impose fines on the owners. The publicise it. They bleat on all forms of media about the "issue".

I hear no silence

McDonalds, Phillip Morris, and Coca Cola Amatil do not own the packaging after point of sale.


That's a fair point actually. Yeah, I'll concede that. They as a group even encourage good behaviour from their customers.

I'm convinced. Step on O-Bike!!! :lol:

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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby mikesbytes » Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:34 pm

queequeg wrote:
Cheesewheel wrote:https://amp.smh.com.au/national/victoria/no-thought-epa-boss-slams-obike-rollout-amid-new-crackdown-20180530-p4zied.html

The new rules for oBike, which will come into effect on June 5, include:

Two hours to remove a bike creating a hazard
24 hours to remove both damaged and vandalised bikes
24 hours to remove a cluster or group of bikes
48 hours to remove a bike if it is stuck up a tree or on a roof
Seven days to remove a bike if it's in a waterway
If bikes aren't collected in these time frames , the company will be fined $3000 per bike.

:cry:


Now we just need to apply the same rules to parked cars

Under equivalence the fine for the car should also be $3000
If the R-1 rule is broken, what happens to N+1?

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